Cptn Hooch Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 I wonder if Valentino Livramento could be convinced to embrace his Scottish heritage. He's only 19 years old but looks a more complete right back than anything else we have plus is playing regularly for a decent Southampton side. Considering our other options are O'Donnell who plays in, what has become, a poor Motherwell side or Nathan Paterson who can't even get into a shite Everton side. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahemps Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 The English have probably the best right back options in the world. The top 4 being Reece James, TAA, Kyle Walker, Trippier Then you have Wan Bissaka, Walker Peters, Aarons, Ben Johnson, Lamptey, James Justin, Cash who are all very capable players and in a different era could pick up a few caps. Livramento can also choose Portugal I believe, I doubt he will be in any rush to commit away from England anytime soon and I wouldn't blame him for that. Wouldn't do any harm to let him know he'd be welcome and keep in touch with him. O'Donnell has done well and gives 100% (like everyone should) but anyone in his position who gets an unlikely call up will put absolutely everything in to it. We need to be looking at other options. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Cash plays for Poland now and there was some chat about Wan Bissaka committing to someone else (maybe Ivory Coast?). Still a ridiculous amount of talent ahead of him though, even with Walker and Tripper the wrong side of 30. Hell, he might have even been Chelsea's third-best English right-back a couple of years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 4 hours ago, Cptn Hooch said: I wonder if Valentino Livramento could be convinced to embrace his Scottish heritage. He's only 19 years old but looks a more complete right back than anything else we have plus is playing regularly for a decent Southampton side. Considering our other options are O'Donnell who plays in, what has become, a poor Motherwell side or Nathan Paterson who can't even get into a shite Everton side. Livramento would be a brilliant option but he looks to be committed to England. Ryan Fredericks (West Ham) is also eligible for Scotland through his grandfather. He's not great but there's not a lot of competition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahemps Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 James and TAA are 22 and 23. They are likely going to be the main two for the next 7-10yrs you would think. Players back themselves though and Livramento will be thinking he's going to develop and be competing with them in a few years. It is probably only after a few years of not getting picked that he may consider other options. I wouldn't be against looking at Fredericks but if he's not getting a game either then it's pretty hard to justify it. In that case we are better sticking with Patterson and letting him get the game time and experience. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Livramento I reckon might end up going for Portugal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Diego De la Vega Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Now would be the time to at least ask livramento after England drafted in ty Mitchell and walker Peters after withdrawals from their squad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cptn Hooch Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 16 hours ago, Donathan said: Livramento I reckon might end up going for Portugal He has Cancelo, Dalot and Soares ahead of him for Portugal. If he's really intent on playing international football Id'd say Scotland was his best bet. It's not like the connection is tenuous (grandmother's pen pal's dug) as his Mum is Scottish. 6 hours ago, Don Diego De la Vega said: Now would be the time to at least ask livramento after England drafted in ty Mitchell and walker Peters after withdrawals from their squad It can't hurt to ask, he maybe hasn't shown any interest because he doesn't believe Scotland are interested. Worst he can say is no. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 On 22/03/2022 at 07:25, Cptn Hooch said: He has Cancelo, Dalot and Soares ahead of him for Portugal. If he's really intent on playing international football Id'd say Scotland was his best bet. It's not like the connection is tenuous (grandmother's pen pal's dug) as his Mum is Scottish. It can't hurt to ask, he maybe hasn't shown any interest because he doesn't believe Scotland are interested. Worst he can say is no. Livramento's main competition is Cancelo. He could be Portugal's second choice RB very soon. Soares is second choice RB at Arsenal. He has not been automatic choice for the Portugal squad in recent years. Dalot was United's 2nd choice (at best) before Rangnick was appointed. He was punted out on loan at Milan last season. Clarke should have called up Livramento this month. He should also have offered Ryan Fredericks a chance two. Instead, he stuck with O'Donnell and Patterson. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Livramento was never going to be accepting a Scotland call-up at this stage of his career. The only way he'll be playing for us is if things don't really go his way over the next 4 or 5 years. The idea that Clarke and the SFA have just ignored him (or Fredericks) is nonsense, but they can't exactly turn up at their houses and bundle them into a van to take them up to the Oriam for training. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 36 minutes ago, craigkillie said: Livramento was never going to be accepting a Scotland call-up at this stage of his career. The only way he'll be playing for us is if things don't really go his way over the next 4 or 5 years. The idea that Clarke and the SFA have just ignored him (or Fredericks) is nonsense, but they can't exactly turn up at their houses and bundle them into a van to take them up to the Oriam for training. Fair point. Livramento could have accepted a Scotland call-up for these friendlies and still been able to switch to Portugal. That, of course, is wishful thinking even if two team mates are in the squad. Fredericks, however, is never going to play for England. Scotland should be an attractive alternative if he wants to play international football. Perhaps Moyes could help. Would Bournemouth's Dembele accept a call-up? Definitely worth considering. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Dembele is Scottish but I'm not sure he's good enough at the moment - he's struggling to get a regular game since joining. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenockraver Posted March 24, 2022 Author Share Posted March 24, 2022 Sharp as a tack tonight. Standout performance again 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Walker-Peters starting for England today so there’s another one that Livramento is behind 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Donathan said: Walker-Peters starting for England today so there’s another one that Livramento is behind Walker-Peters hasn't looked great so far. He was partly at fault, with White, for the Swiss goal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing.McCrosby Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 On 23/03/2022 at 19:16, craigkillie said: Livramento was never going to be accepting a Scotland call-up at this stage of his career. The only way he'll be playing for us is if things don't really go his way over the next 4 or 5 years. The idea that Clarke and the SFA have just ignored him (or Fredericks) is nonsense, but they can't exactly turn up at their houses and bundle them into a van to take them up to the Oriam for training. Similar things would have been said about Mctominay at the time he chose to play for us. He was playing for a much better and high profile team. Yet made to choice to play for us despite having better (player wise) options. We don't know Livramento thoughts on who he would or wouldn't play for. So to be so definite about it is just silly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 McTominay never played for England U21s (or at any youth level). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing.McCrosby Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Just now, craigkillie said: McTominay never played for England U21s (or at any youth level). He never played for Scotland either at u21s, or at any youth level. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Yes, so the situation is entirely different to someone who has already committed to England at U21 level, and has most likely turned down a call-up for us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Yes, so the situation is entirely different to someone who has already committed to England at U21 level, and has most likely turned down a call-up for us."most likely"? Or in other words "I've absolutely no idea"? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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