Dunfermline Athletic vs Alloa Athletic

[parsforlife 2,471]

1 minute ago, printer said:

Thirty-five yards out you say. So the final third.

Well aye, just,  but a position you would comfortably expect to defend from.

[whereismillar 859]

 

just seen DG's pics from the game and i can see why the ref disallowed Camerons goal  , not much doubt really .

 

[Grant228 3,067]

1 minute ago, whereismillar said:

 

just seen DG's pics from the game and i can see why the ref disallowed Camerons goal  , not much doubt really .

 

I genuinely don't get how anyone who watched the game, and then the highlights would have any doubt at all. 

 

Absolutely minterific from Peter Grant. 

[printer 1,419]

5 minutes ago, parsforlife said:

Well aye, just,  but a position you would comfortably expect to defend from.

Well you might expect to comfortably defend from there. 😒

[Waspie 1,764]

2 hours ago, Grant228 said:

You did? For a team that clearly played better you created absolutely nothing, nada, not a single chance where OFW was lauded for a great save or anyone thought the Alloa player should've scored. 

 

I'd far rather win how he did yesterday, than lose how Alloa did. 

That's not quite right. He made a good save for Taggart's free kick, albeit you would expect him to save it. He was at full stretch for Trouten in the second half though and that was a decent chance. And the disallowed goal goes down as a great chance passed up too because it was a great ball in that Cameron was always winning. Inexperience on his behalf to get done for that, and inexperience too not to go down on the contact at the end. So "nada" is wrong. 

But we're bottom because we do indeed lack a cutting edge (and concede soft goals). Any half decent side with the possession we had yesterday would have won. And of course you'd rather win like the Pars did than lose, but when you have the quality that your squad has you shouldn't have to rely on the struggling opposition being toothless, and end up arguing afterwards about who was more mediocre. In a season when Hearts under Nielson are totally uninspiring that Dunfermline squad, with the right leadership, could offer a real challenge. But I doubt you will and being so poor against a fundamentally flawed Alloa side (twice) is a symptom of that. As I suggested earlier, putting it down as "winning ugly" is tempting but it probably means not confronting some fundamental issues. 

Edited February 21 by Waspie

[parsforlife 2,471]

23 minutes ago, Waspie said:

, but when you have the quality that your squad has you shouldn't have to rely on the struggling opposition being toothless, and end up arguing afterwards about who was more mediocre. In a season when Hearts under Nielson are totally uninspiring that Dunfermline squad, with the right leadership, could offer a real challenge. But I doubt you will and being so poor against a fundamentally flawed Alloa side (twice) is a symptom of that. As I suggested earlier, putting it down as "winning ugly" is tempting but it probably means not confronting some fundamental issues. 

I don’t think anyone would argue we played well yesterday. But it was enough.  As for challenging hearts whilst there’s been dropped points in games we should have done better in. given the budget difference it’s ultimately fantasy land. 

[Waspie 1,764]

1 hour ago, parsforlife said:

I don’t think anyone would argue we played well yesterday. But it was enough.  As for challenging hearts whilst there’s been dropped points in games we should have done better in. given the budget difference it’s ultimately fantasy land. 

It should be but Hearts under Nielson are shite and the general standard of the league is pretty grim this year too. You have some cracking players and with a really good manager I think it would be possible to at least push them close. Anyway, I've said enough here. 

[whereismillar 859]

2 hours ago, Grant228 said:

I genuinely don't get how anyone who watched the game, and then the highlights would have any doubt at all. 

 

Absolutely minterific from Peter Grant. 

First time around i had my doubts, it was the club photographers pics that showed the pull 

maybe when PG sees them too he will change his mind .

 

Edited February 21 by whereismillar

[printer 1,419]

2 hours ago, Grant228 said:

I genuinely don't get how anyone who watched the game, and then the highlights would have any doubt at all.

Yeah, but have you see DG's pictures of every incident? 

[Black and White Tragic 656]

It should be but Hearts under Nielson are shite and the general standard of the league is pretty grim this year too. You have some cracking players and with a really good manager I think it would be possible to at least push them close. Anyway, I've said enough here. 

Think apart from Hearts there’s not much in this league. If the standard is “pretty grim” maybe Grant should be under pressure given he’s bottom of the pile? Anyway, I've said enough here. 

[parsforlife 2,471]

32 minutes ago, whereismillar said:

maybe when PG sees them too he will change his mind .

 

Doubtful, he is a very angry man. It would take a hell of a lot for him to admit he could have been wrong.

Edited February 21 by parsforlife

[Ayrpar 15]

2 hours ago, Waspie said:

That's not quite right. He made a good save for Taggart's free kick, albeit you would expect him to save it. He was at full stretch for Trouten in the second half though and that was a decent chance. And the disallowed goal goes down as a great chance passed up too because it was a great ball in that Cameron was always winning. Inexperience on his behalf to get done for that, and inexperience too not to go down on the contact at the end. So "nada" is wrong. 

But we're bottom because we do indeed lack a cutting edge (and concede soft goals). Any half decent side with the possession we had yesterday would have won. And of course you'd rather win like the Pars did than lose, but when you have the quality that your squad has you shouldn't have to rely on the struggling opposition being toothless, and end up arguing afterwards about who was more mediocre. In a season when Hearts under Nielson are totally uninspiring that Dunfermline squad, with the right leadership, could offer a real challenge. But I doubt you will and being so poor against a fundamentally flawed Alloa side (twice) is a symptom of that. As I suggested earlier, putting it down as "winning ugly" is tempting but it probably means not confronting some fundamental issues. 

Waspie. I and the Pars fans I speak to would agree 100% with your analysis. Its a pity too many fellow Pars fans are content with performances like that which, with a few notable exceptions, are the norm this season.  

[Grant228 3,067]

55 minutes ago, whereismillar said:

First time around i had my doubts, it was the club photographers pics that showed the pull 

maybe when PG sees them too he will change his mind .

 

Surely matey you seen that in the highlights? 

[whereismillar 859]

11 minutes ago, Grant228 said:

Surely matey you seen that in the highlights? 

  🙂 Watching on a computer screen and no way do you pick up every thing going on  !

i mean i missed the 2nd pars goal completely as the stream went  tits up ,

Edited February 21 by whereismillar

[All-Star-Par 586]

Waspie having a fantastic weekend.

[parsforlife 2,471]

55 minutes ago, Ayrpar said:

Waspie. I and the Pars fans I speak to would agree 100% with your analysis. Its a pity too many fellow Pars fans are content with performances like that which, with a few notable exceptions, are the norm this season.  

Enough to be 2nd in the league approaching the last round of fixtures.  I’m pretty happy with that and would of certainly taken it on day 1.

[D.A.F.C 6,465]

5 hours ago, Waspie said:

That's not quite right. He made a good save for Taggart's free kick, albeit you would expect him to save it. He was at full stretch for Trouten in the second half though and that was a decent chance. And the disallowed goal goes down as a great chance passed up too because it was a great ball in that Cameron was always winning. Inexperience on his behalf to get done for that, and inexperience too not to go down on the contact at the end. So "nada" is wrong. 

But we're bottom because we do indeed lack a cutting edge (and concede soft goals). Any half decent side with the possession we had yesterday would have won. And of course you'd rather win like the Pars did than lose, but when you have the quality that your squad has you shouldn't have to rely on the struggling opposition being toothless, and end up arguing afterwards about who was more mediocre. In a season when Hearts under Nielson are totally uninspiring that Dunfermline squad, with the right leadership, could offer a real challenge. But I doubt you will and being so poor against a fundamentally flawed Alloa side (twice) is a symptom of that. As I suggested earlier, putting it down as "winning ugly" is tempting but it probably means not confronting some fundamental issues. 

Spot on, we are a good team playing badly and almost every game has had issues. Hearts twice and rovers at home have been great which sums up Crawford. Alloa played us off the park for 2/3rds of the game, im not ok with that because most of it was down to bad passing and lack of chasing down opposition.

Edited February 21 by D.A.F.C

[da_no_1 261]

Neither of their penalty claims was a penalty and there was a jersey pull for their disallowed goal.

I look forward to the mad monks apology in the morning

Tit

[Waspie 1,764]

13 hours ago, Black and White Tragic said:

Think apart from Hearts there’s not much in this league. If the standard is “pretty grim” maybe Grant should be under pressure given he’s bottom of the pile? Anyway, I've said enough here. 

Well since I have been critiquing Crawford I'll say a bit about Grant too 😁.

We are punching above our weight being in this league and if you're Alloa being bottom of the Championship doesn't necessarily mean the manager is doing a terrible job. Grant did well last season which has him in credit, and there also needs to be an element of understanding about the particular challenges this season due to Covid. That said, I'd question the signing policy to an extent and I'm also not convinced he is getting enough out of the squad, despite those challenges. Not a fan of his lambasting officials so regularly either. Some Alloa fans would say he is already under pressure. If we go down, which looks increasingly likely, he definitely will be. 

[CallumPar 314]

There is another narrative from some Pars fans that winning, however ugly, is all that matters. That's a tempting one to adopt but possibly points more to trying to avoid some awkward truths. 
 

Is this serious? In football, winning is all that matters. Regardless of any opinions about Saturday’s game, the fact is that Dunfermline won and got 3 points, moving us further ahead of Raith and Dundee.

Yes, we would all like to see our team play well and win. But it’s a result-based industry and it’s all about getting as many points on the board as possible. Even teams spending millions of pounds on players have to win ugly at times. In fact, winning ugly is normally the difference between winning promotion and falling short, or the difference between avoiding relegation and getting relegated. If anything, we haven’t won ugly often enough over the last few years. Sometimes you need to play poorly and win, especially in a division as tight as this one.

What awkward truths are we apparently trying to avoid here? Nobody is claiming we played well. Everyone knows we need to play better if we want to get promoted. Sorry if this seems a little harsh, but the ‘awkward truth’ is, given your league position, getting points on the board is all you should be worried about with just 11 games left this season.