Life on Marrs? Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 9 minutes ago, bairn88 said: When you’re so angry you have to use people dying to try and do a point and laugh funny... Also your sentence is just ignorant. The top 2 aren’t considered the only ones that are “elite”, otherwise our season wouldn’t have been allowed to start. It wasn’t the gov that stopped our game, it was the SFA, probably not anticipating that the gov would then get involved and needlessly postpone our game for another month or 2. They’ve made a complete bollocks of it and now the gov aren’t answering their calls. Brilliant stuff. Not ignorant, I only deal with facts. These are official govt figures about current positive cases, not deaths. A line had to be drawn somewhere to prevent the spread, it was decided outwith the top 2 divisions the rest of football is not deemed essential travel. Fact 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bairn88 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, banditjag said: Only if you can't work from home. It used to be essential work at the start of all this but don't know what terms they are using now. Main point remains though. It doesn't really matter what we think, the kings and queens of corruption will decide. But surely that’s the point - footballers can’t do their job from home. Just as some office workers can’t work from home for a variety of reasons (lack of space, internet connection, family stuff etc etc etc) are all valid reasons why they are legally allowed to work not from home? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bairn88 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Just now, Life on Marrs? said: Not ignorant, I only deal with facts. These are official govt figures about current positive cases, not deaths. A line had to be drawn somewhere to prevent the spread, it was decided outwith the top 2 divisions the rest of football is not deemed essential travel. Fact The SFA stopped football, not the government. You deal in anything but facts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Life on Marrs? Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 I didn't say who stopped it, only where the line drawn to distinguish elite athletes from the rest was, fact. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold Layne Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, craigkillie said: There clearly has been a distinction made, which is why most staff in hospitality and retail are not currently doing their jobs. Clearly no distinction has been made between essential and non-essential work. It's worrying that people seem to be unaware of the ScotGov Coronavirus rules. Hospitality and Retail are restricted under separate orders. Edited February 27, 2021 by Arnold Layne 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold Layne Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 41 minutes ago, banditjag said: See belowI know it's referencing the international aspect of travel but head to the web site (I couldn't be arsed) and it is the same for local travel within and out with your local council area. As many have stated, what is essential is the key and as much as I miss football it's not essential at any level yet certain clubs and leagues are playing/travelling so it's down to how those in charge of the country interpret essential I guess. No it is not. Read the rules. There is no mention of distinction between essential and non-essential work. The full 'stay at home' guidance is here https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/ I would urge people to read it. These are the rules that cover our day to day lives at the moment. Outwith these rules the Govt has placed separate restrictions on specific areas deemed to be high risk activities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 This thread is beginning to remind me of Paul McStay's midfield movements in a Scotland jersey. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagsfan57 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Still not grasping that it's a) about necessary travel not the safety of activities and b) if we're setting what was allowed in October as our benchmark for what to restart now then I'll have freedom of travel, the right to meet multiple households outside and a crisp pint over Dumbarton v East Fife' every day of the week.If you are talking about the virus, It is nothing to do with travel - it’s about reducing the amount of contact with other people, whether it is necessary or not. Travelling being restricted is a bye product of that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagsfan57 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 I don't see how me going hillwalking in Galloway or Arran tomorrow would overwhelm the health service but it's non-essential travel and therefore prohibited. There's no valid reason for semi-professional football clubs all the way down to the East of Scotland Conferences to get a magical 'elite sport' exemption, while the police are literally slapping fines on people for travelling to the next town down on public transport without an essential purpose because of a mainland-wide stay at home order. It would be a complete and utter joke, would undermine the SG's IMO draconian but ultimately unchallenged lockdown and so it really shouldn't be happening. The situation in November when large parts of the Central Belt were restricted from leaving their local authority area while glorified Junior clubs and their committee men were heading all over their region for games was an absolute joke. It was only a matter of time until the SG brought it back into line with the rest of society and that's still where we are now.What exactly is it that differentiates between a full time championship footballer and someone that works full time in a department store that makes the footballers job more important ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, Arnold Layne said: There is no distinction made by ScotGov between essential and non-essential work. Anyone can travel to work if they cannot work from home and their workplace has Covid protocols in place. I have been travelling to work since August and my job is not essential. Erm yes, that was precisely my point champ. As the top two leagues are professional, footballers and staff are free to travel to and from their place of work. Travelling to a place of work of any kind is an essential reason, if it cannot be done from home. As the rest of Scottish football down to the East of Scotland conferences is not professional, then it is not a genuine place of work and so training and travelling across the country to play their matches are not legitimate exemptions. That's the line that has quite clearly been drawn and it has got nothing to do with safety or testing protocols. Edited February 27, 2021 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) 42 minutes ago, jagsfan57 said: What exactly is it that differentiates between a full time championship footballer and someone that works full time in a department store that makes the footballers job more important ? Literally nobody is claiming that a footballer's job is 'more important', you are barking up the wrong tree entirely. Sectors have not been allowed to continue/close determined solely or even primarily based on their importance. Professional football continues because it is a work setting with near-zero impact on the spread of the virus across society as a whole. Department stores have a more significant impact (largely by encouraging people to leave the house in the first place) and so have been closed as part of a nationwide stay at home edict. Edited February 27, 2021 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Life on Marrs? Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 27 minutes ago, jagsfan57 said: What exactly is it that differentiates between a full time championship footballer and someone that works full time in a department store that makes the footballers job more important ? I guess, if someone works in John Lewis', they could realistically pick up where they left off after a year out, the same couldn't really be said of a professional athlete. Elite level athletes were given special dispensation to continue, with certain protocols in place to continue so it wouldn't have a detremental effect on their careers. Same reason England's cricketers are in India, six nations got to start, John Higgins & Andy Murray can go all over the world & the Tokyo Olympics & Euro 2020 will happen this year. Wherever the line in football was drawn, clubs just under that level would always feel hard done by. It does highlight that some folk have very few problems in life/ understanding of the pandemic, if they think it's the end of the world if this season is scrapped! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 1 hour ago, bairn88 said: The SFA stopped football, not the government. You deal in anything but facts. The SFA stopped football before the government took the matter out of its hands. Which is also why the SFA and the clubs haven't been able to hold talks on restarting training and matches without the SG's input. This is all incredibly basic stuff that people still don't seem able to grasp. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, virginton said: Erm yes, that was precisely my point champ. As the top two leagues are professional, footballers and staff are free to travel to and from their place of work. As the rest of Scottish football down to the East of Scotland conferences is not professional, then it is not a genuine place of work and so training and travelling across the country to play their matches are not legitimate exemptions from the current lockdown. That's the line that has quite clearly been drawn and it has got nothing to do with safety or testing protocols. The Championship, like L1 and L2 contains a mix of full-time and part-time clubs. For every player, it's their place of work - it's just that some have more than one job. Either the line is FT=Professional, PT=Semi-Professional or it's meaningless and arbitrary. Leagues can't be "a bit" professional, just like you can't be "a bit" virgin - something you of all people should know. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Life on Marrs? Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 For Falkirk fans, Elite level Scottish football- Premiership & Championship, Non-elite level, every c**t else, simple. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, NewBornBairn said: The Championship, like L1 and L2 contains a mix of full-time and part-time clubs. For every player, it's their place of work - it's just that some have more than one job. Either the line is FT=Professional, PT=Semi-Professional or it's meaningless and arbitrary. Leagues can't be "a bit" professional, just like you can't be "a bit" virgin - something you of all people should know. The Championship is a majority full-time league by a clear margin: it is therefore a professional league. League One or Two are part-time by a clear margin: they are therefore semi-professional leagues. You can harrumph about this straightforward distinction all you want, but the reality is that the SG quite rightly draws a line in the sand between a bunch of brickies and plumbers doing a couple of training sessions and playing football on the side, and professional, full-time contracted employees to a football club. One of these is a credible workplace, the other is not. That a rump of horseshit full-time clubs like your own are left floundering in a semi-professional league is not the concern of the government, the SFA or anyone else. Edited February 27, 2021 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, NewBornBairn said: The Championship, like L1 and L2 contains a mix of full-time and part-time clubs. For every player, it's their place of work - it's just that some have more than one job. Either the line is FT=Professional, PT=Semi-Professional or it's meaningless and arbitrary. Leagues can't be "a bit" professional, just like you can't be "a bit" virgin - something you of all people should know. Even in your wildest dreams, can you imagine any organisation, if being told to make sacrifices that they would close down the part of the business that brings in money? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Nation Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 21 minutes ago, virginton said: Erm yes, that was precisely my point champ. As the top two leagues are professional, footballers and staff are free to travel to and from their place of work. Travelling to a place of work of any kind is an essential reason, if it cannot be done from home. As the rest of Scottish football down to the East of Scotland conferences is not professional, then it is not a genuine place of work and so training and travelling across the country to play their matches are not legitimate exemptions. That's the line that has quite clearly been drawn and it has got nothing to do with safety or testing protocols. Semi-pro football is a part-time job. The rules allowing travel to a place of work do not distinguish between full- and part-time work. A part-time footballer is no different from anyone else with a part-time job, often in addition to another full-time or part-time one. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, virginton said: That a rump of horseshit full-time clubs like your own are left floundering in a semi-professional league is not the concern of the government, the SFA or anyone else. And that's what a hundred or so sneering posts is all about. You've admitted repeatedly that all 3 leagues should have been shut down but you continue to parade your inadequacies purely to indulge your triumphalism that "The Famous" (giggle) are in a league above Falkirk and Partick this season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Even in your wildest dreams, can you imagine any organisation, if being told to make sacrifices that they would close down the part of the business that brings in money? Were they told to make sacrifices were they? Was that the wording? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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