hk blues Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, The Other Foot said: Some great points there. Clearly, refusing a vaccine in Europe doesn't make one pop up in Africa Indirectly it does though. If the richer countries gave up some of their supply it would filter down the pecking order. Eventually. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 1 minute ago, The Other Foot said: That's fine mate, mine's away to Pakistan It'll get sold to a rich person wherever you send it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Other Foot said: That's fine mate, mine's away to Pakistan F**K Y*U mate 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 P&Bers, just a little thought I've had for a while (and one which has resurfaced since a BBC article came out this morning)... Is it morally wrong to refuse the vaccine, for the time being, on the basis that you are shocked at how little of the supply has been extended to the developing world so far? Is it wrong that I would be getting the vaccine so much faster than someone my age in Malawi, for example? Covax is undoubtedly a fantastic initiative, but it's not doing nearly enough. It's looking increasingly likely that we're going to have a world where the developed world is sufficiently immunized, but vast swathes of Africa and Asia are still cowering in fear. Just a thought, as I say. I haven't made up my mind yet. The only morally correct option is to take to the countryside and wage an insurgency against the state and big pharma 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Ashamed to say I'd throttle a granny in Scotland to get mine now so I'm properly protected for my holiday at the end of April. Please let it be the granny I'm thinking of! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, hk blues said: Please let it be the granny I'm thinking of! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Hillonearth said: He's a tit right enough 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latapythelegend Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 27 minutes ago, Disco Dave said: Unfortunately, from what I see at work, most anti-vax people also don't care about masks or distancing. I would not wish death on them but I hope Covid gives them enough of a scare to change their mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Ian Brown says it's not a vaccine if it doesn't stop transmission or infection. He's called it the Controllavirus. Can we get him on SAGE? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Other Foot said: P&Bers, just a little thought I've had for a while (and one which has resurfaced since a BBC article came out this morning)... Is it morally wrong to refuse the vaccine, for the time being, on the basis that you are shocked at how little of the supply has been extended to the developing world so far? Is it wrong that I would be getting the vaccine so much faster than someone my age in Malawi, for example? Covax is undoubtedly a fantastic initiative, but it's not doing nearly enough. It's looking increasingly likely that we're going to have a world where the developed world is sufficiently immunized, but vast swathes of Africa and Asia are still cowering in fear. Just a thought, as I say. I haven't made up my mind yet. I would say that it would be morally wrong. Not that I don’t agree with your concern, I completely do and it is imperative that all countries should be vaccinated quickly regardless of the wealth of that nation. I just think it would be wrong because refusing the vaccine yourself doesn’t do anything to improve the chances of developing countries getting the vaccine, yet refusing it does potentially cause direct harm to the vulnerable people within our own country. Treating everyone equally means not seeing ourselves as being more valuable or worthy of the vaccine, but also not seeing ourselves as less worthy or valuable. It’s better to try to directly influence governments and those producing the vaccine into good programmes to get the vaccine to everyone, rather than refuse it. Edited January 19, 2021 by Jambomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_dog Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 1 hour ago, The Other Foot said: So here's a twist on the original hypothesis - if the UK government were to say to you, "We are now out of the original batch and looking to order more, but would like to offer you the chance to donate your vaccine to someone in Africa" ...what would you say? I'd say it depends on the infection rates. Right now in the UK we are in such a bad state that sorry, we need the vaccines more than most. If it comes to the summer and infections, deaths & hospital admissions are really low, then yeah go for it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 3 hours ago, The Other Foot said: P&Bers, just a little thought I've had for a while (and one which has resurfaced since a BBC article came out this morning)... Is it morally wrong to refuse the vaccine, for the time being, on the basis that you are shocked at how little of the supply has been extended to the developing world so far? Is it wrong that I would be getting the vaccine so much faster than someone my age in Malawi, for example? Covax is undoubtedly a fantastic initiative, but it's not doing nearly enough. It's looking increasingly likely that we're going to have a world where the developed world is sufficiently immunized, but vast swathes of Africa and Asia are still cowering in fear. Just a thought, as I say. I haven't made up my mind yet. Depends who it is in Africa. According to the law of averages, loads of Africans are going to be fannies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 2 hours ago, The Moonster said: Ian Brown says it's not a vaccine if it doesn't stop transmission or infection. He's called it the Controllavirus. Can we get him on SAGE? I'm not sure a man who did lines before 11am us best places to tell anyone what they should and shouldn't take. Perhaps if the Vaccine had to be stored up someone's arse for 8 hours Ian would be front of the queue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 7 hours ago, Granny Danger said: I’m not going to get vaccinated against something that might kill me because I’ve never died before. Come now, I've seen you die dozens of deaths on this website alone 58 minutes ago, 101 said: I'm not sure a man who did lines before 11am us best places to tell anyone what they should and shouldn't take. Perhaps if the Vaccine had to be stored up someone's arse for 8 hours Ian would be front of the queue. Well.... I mean, theres other stuff we can judge him on without getting into who snorted what and at what hour.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raidernation Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 I’m no doubt well down the list but, being a teacher that much prefers face to face teaching I’m quite keen to get it.Had to get tested last week due to a positive for one of my senior students, thankfully I don’t have the plague 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 3 hours ago, Bairnardo said: Come now, I've seen you die dozens of deaths on this website alone Well.... I mean, theres other stuff we can judge him on without getting into who snorted what and at what hour.... I thought it was fair enough, he has been pretty open about his drug taking if he then has a problem about taking a drug that is infinitely safer than the one he took then making the comment in counter to his missinformation seems entity proper. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Just now, 101 said: I thought it was fair enough, he has been pretty open about his drug taking if he then has a problem about taking a drug that is infinitely safer than the one he took then making the comment in counter to his missinformation seems entity proper. Aye, I was light heartedly defending those who might have banged in a straightener pre 11am in their more flamboyant days... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Bairnardo said: Aye, I was light heartedly defending those who might have banged in a straightener pre 11am in their more flamboyant days... Ah apologies. Well Ian said his pre 11 lines is what causes him regret. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, 101 said: I thought it was fair enough, he has been pretty open about his drug taking if he then has a problem about taking a drug that is infinitely safer than the one he took then making the comment in counter to his missinformation seems entity proper. My dealer has never let me down. Always punctual, delivers the goods, and has good chat. Big pharma and the Tory government on the other hand? Edited January 19, 2021 by NotThePars 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimi Shandrix Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 7 hours ago, The Moonster said: Ian Brown says it's not a vaccine if it doesn't stop transmission or infection. He's called it the Controllavirus. Can we get him on SAGE? Ian Brown is a twat who has done nothing of any value for over 30 years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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