Genuine Hibs Fan Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 9 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Why, though? A queen can make any move a rook can. Plus it can move diagonally too. Ah well I assumed you already had a queen, may have misread 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Genuine Hibs Fan said: Ah well I assumed you already had a queen, may have misread Even if you do, you can promote a pawn to another one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Psychosis Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Here's an example where underpromoting to a knight is the only move that doesn't lose for White. https://lichess.org/study/fKXgFDek 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FemdomFilmFan Posted January 17, 2021 Author Share Posted January 17, 2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promotion_(chess)#Rook_underpromotion Three pieces on the board, two White, one Black. White pawn on g7. White king on g4. Black king on h6. It's White's turn to move. g8=Q I understand why this would be a stalemate beacuse, even though Black isn't in check at the moment, only the King is on the board, and there's nowhere the King can move to without putting himself in check. But rewind and suppose White does this instead, g8=R What difference would that make? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Psychosis Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 minute ago, FemdomFilmFan said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promotion_(chess)#Rook_underpromotion Three pieces on the board, two White, one Black. White pawn on g7. White king on g4. Black king on h6. It's White's turn to move. g8=Q I understand why this would be a stalemate beacuse, even though Black isn't in check at the moment, only the King is on the board, and there's nowhere the King can move to without putting himself in check. But rewind and suppose White does this instead, g8=R What difference would that make? Unlike the Queen the rook doesn't attack the h7 square so the king has that move, it's not stalemate. King plus Rook can still mate so underpromoting to a rook wins. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philpy Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 52 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said: I have a friend in Portland. He's my Maine man. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 hour ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said: The Queen can't pull off the same moves as the Knight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 53 minutes ago, Deanburn Dave said: Head to Wikipedia....search for Promotion (Chess) There's a great example there of "underpromotion" which is where you choose to become a piece other than a queen. The white pawn will take the black knight.... 'tis but a flesh wound 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Deanburn Dave said: Head to Wikipedia....search for Promotion (Chess) There's a great example there of "underpromotion" which is where you choose to become a piece other than a queen. The white pawn will take the black knight....then by choosing to become a white knight "forks" the black King and Queen. The white knight then takes the black queen and then the black rook. I thought the black knight always triumphs? EDIT: I see @tamthebam has already gotten in there with a Monty Python joke. Teach me to finish reading a thread before replying! As you were. Edited January 17, 2021 by Gaz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FemdomFilmFan Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Uncle Psychosis said: Unlike the Queen the rook doesn't attack the h7 square so the king has that move, it's not stalemate. King plus Rook can still mate so underpromoting to a rook wins. Thanks. I've been trying to figure out for about the last four hours how the rook and king can mate quickly but it hasn't come to me yet. Here's the best I've come up with so far (bear in mind I'm pretty new to the game), Starting position: White pawn on g7, White King on g4, Black King on h6. 1. g8=R Kh7 2. Re8 Kg6 3. Re6+ Kf7 4. Kf5 Kg7 5. Re7+ Kh6 6. Rh7# I haven't figured out how to force mate quicker than that yet. Edited January 18, 2021 by FemdomFilmFan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 I can remember playing a game back in the day at the school chess club and taking a rook instead of a queen to avoid causing a stalemate. Mind when they used to show Play Chess on BBC during the holidays. They gave one example of a classic match where a grand master had promoted a pawn to a knight. All animated in high tech fashion using that lightboard with the pieces being wheeched off by some guy standing behind it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlipperyP Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 I know next to nothing about chess however my friends brother wrote this book 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 I still don't really understand stalement in chess terms. Friday night at Cappielow was a great other worldly example but on the chess board I can't see the difference between that and checkmate? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 32 minutes ago, Stellaboz said: I still don't really understand stalement in chess terms. Friday night at Cappielow was a great other worldly example but on the chess board I can't see the difference between that and checkmate? Well there are a couple of possibilities. Morton v Dunfermline was probably the equivalent of both players being left with just a king each, therefore unable to do anything other than move kings around the board. You can also have the scenario where a player who is well ahead on pieces renders his opponent unable to move, but with the king not actually in check. That is also stalemate, but comparable to Danny Rogers dragging the ball into his own goal for a last minute equaliser 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 10 hours ago, Todd_is_God said: Even if you do, you can promote a pawn to another one. Say what now?!?! Can you tell I've only started playing regularly in the last couple of weeks? Two queens though what a world 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 10 minutes ago, Genuine Hibs Fan said: Say what now?!?! Can you tell I've only started playing regularly in the last couple of weeks? Two queens though what a world One is all you ever need 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) Anyone who gets to the stage of promoting a pawn, should either not be playing chess, or not be playing that opponent. If the game gets to that stage you, or your opponent (Or both) are simply pish. My Russian cousin Grandmaster Superbigalski told me this. Edited January 18, 2021 by superbigal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FemdomFilmFan Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, FemdomFilmFan said: Thanks. I've been trying to figure out for about the last four hours how the rook and king can mate quickly but it hasn't come to me yet. Here's the best I've come up with so far (bear in mind I'm pretty new to the game), Starting position: White pawn on g7, White King on g4, Black King on h6. 1. g8=R Kh7 2. Re8 Kg6 3. Re6+ Kf7 4. Kf5 Kg7 5. Re7+ Kh6 6. Rh7# I haven't figured out how to force mate quicker than that yet. Can anyone tell me if I could have forced mate faster? I just couldn't see a quicker solution at the time. Oh shit, no, never mind. I just remembered the Black King can capture the White Rook. Damn it. Shows ya how new I am to the game. Damn. How can I force checkmate then from that starting position? Edited January 18, 2021 by FemdomFilmFan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardinal Richelieu Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 2 hours ago, FemdomFilmFan said: Can anyone tell me if I could have forced mate faster? I just couldn't see a quicker solution at the time. Oh shit, no, never mind. I just remembered the Black King can capture the White Rook. Damn it. Shows ya how new I am to the game. Damn. How can I force checkmate then from that starting position? Reckon if you set it up for folk, they might be more likely to help! https://www.chess.com/analysis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) White Rook & King vs. Black King should always end up as a White win if played properly. You need to keep the rook in the g column without putting the black king in check at any time & then manoeuvre the white king around it, always protecting the rook with the white king until the final move You can force mate as follows 1. g8=R Kh7 2. Rg5 Kh6 3. Kf5 Kh7 4. Rg6 Kh8 5. Kf6 Kh7 6. Kf7 Kh8 7. Rh6# Edited January 18, 2021 by lichtgilphead wrong column cited 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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