Erih Shtrep Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 A think this movement is big enough to merit its own thread. Membership for Yes Cymru has increased to 17,000 and the several AUOB marches have been well attended Support for Welsh Independence continues to increase with just over 1 in 2 against the idea Plaid Cymru leader Adam Price plans to offer a referendum if they win May's election to the Senedd, but support for independence hasn't resulted in a rush towards Plaid. Opinion polls suggest around 40% of Labour voters back independence but unlike in Scotland there hasn't been a move towards the 'nationalists'. Labour remains heavy odds-on (1/5) favourites to gain the most seats at the Welsh assembly elections. You can get 5's on the Tories with Plaid 18/1. Regardless there's marches planned for 2021 and the movement towards Welsh Independence continues, and we've witnessed how quickly things can snowball. I really like Adam Price, give him a platform and he'll increase the numbers further. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralstonite Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 I noticed Yes Cymru's presence online, mostly because I am interested in the Scottish independence movement. However, unlike Scotland, I'm not sure Welsh independence is feasible. However, that's up to the Welsh people to decide, of course. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimi Shandrix Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Much the same as here, the biggest factor driving independence in Wales will be the current UK government. The longer the likes of Johnson, Patel, Hancock, Raab and Jenrick are in charge, the more support indy parties will garner. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanhourjoe Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 56 minutes ago, Ralstonite said: I noticed Yes Cymru's presence online, mostly because I am interested in the Scottish independence movement. However, unlike Scotland, I'm not sure Welsh independence is feasible. However, that's up to the Welsh people to decide, of course. In what way don't you see it being feasible? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralstonite Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, Juanhourjoe said: In what way don't you see it being feasible? Scotland has fishing, whisky and oil. What does Wales have? Much of the terrain is mountainous and unsuited to agriculture. What does Wales produce? How would it be economically viable? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erih Shtrep Posted January 17, 2021 Author Share Posted January 17, 2021 9 minutes ago, Ralstonite said: Scotland has fishing, whisky and oil. What does Wales have? Much of the terrain is mountainous and unsuited to agriculture. What does Wales produce? How would it be economically viable? The run down former mining villages illustrates perfectly why Wales should govern itself. Thatcher said don't worry we're investing in London, we'll look after you. It will always be beneficial to run fiscal policies to maximise the wealth of your country. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Ferguson's Hat Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Would be funny it was actually called 'Whales'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanhourjoe Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, Ralstonite said: Scotland has fishing, whisky and oil. What does Wales have? Much of the terrain is mountainous and unsuited to agriculture. What does Wales produce? How would it be economically viable? Future Welsh governments could build up a better economy over time. As With Shtrep says, the London centric economy hasn't been good for Welsh prosperity. It would be up to the imagination and skills of the Welsh people to build something new under better investment conditions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 It's an ie from me. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 25 minutes ago, Juanhourjoe said: It would be up to the imagination and skills of the Welsh people to build something new under better investment conditions. Perhaps they would be better off with limited autonomy under their new Scottish overlords instead. I'm thinking a United Arab Republic style deal, after we kick things off by unilaterally annexing the Isle of Man. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 The Union of Soviet Celtic Republics. Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Isle of Man, Cornwall and Breton. Pan-Celticism for the win comrades. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Juanhourjoe said: Future Welsh governments could build up a better economy over time. As With Shtrep says, the London centric economy hasn't been good for Welsh prosperity. It would be up to the imagination and skills of the Welsh people to build something new under better investment conditions. You know what would be good for Welsh prosperity? Some sort of European Governmentthat spends a fortune on infrastructure for deprived parts of Wales. But they voted against that. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 ^^^That and the main population centres are far closer to England than ours with much better transport links than they have from one part of Wales to another. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: The Union of Soviet Celtic Republics. Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Isle of Man, Cornwall and Breton. Pan-Celticism for the win comrades. We all know who'd be the chad, Russian-style federation doing all the heavy lifting, space flight pioneering and Nazi killing in the republic, and who'd be the Ukraine-level dweebs tagging along and trying to defect to the enemy though. Cardiff would need a Marshal of the Republic stationed there at all times to keep those diddies in line. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Sannox Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 If all else fails, try Wales. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 I like their hats 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 4 hours ago, Erih Shtrep said: A think this movement is big enough to merit its own thread. Membership for Yes Cymru has increased to 17,000 and the several AUOB marches have been well attended Support for Welsh Independence continues to increase with just over 1 in 2 against the idea Plaid Cymru leader Adam Price plans to offer a referendum if they win May's election to the Senedd, but support for independence hasn't resulted in a rush towards Plaid. Opinion polls suggest around 40% of Labour voters back independence but unlike in Scotland there hasn't been a move towards the 'nationalists'. Labour remains heavy odds-on (1/5) favourites to gain the most seats at the Welsh assembly elections. You can get 5's on the Tories with Plaid 18/1. Regardless there's marches planned for 2021 and the movement towards Welsh Independence continues, and we've witnessed how quickly things can snowball. I really like Adam Price, give him a platform and he'll increase the numbers further. imagine looking at welsh labour and thinking ‘yes, those guys are doing a good job, let’s keep them in’ welsh independence isn’t an bad idea, but it can only work if the welsh start to actually make sensible decisions at the polling booth. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 14 hours ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: It's an ie from me. Shakin Stevens found. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 13 hours ago, Glen Sannox said: If all else fails, try Wales. Has anyone shown Visit Wales this slogan? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 14 hours ago, welshbairn said: ^^^That and the main population centres are far closer to England than ours with much better transport links than they have from one part of Wales to another. That does make national unity difficult, but they also have a common language that is far more widely spoken. As a nation I'd say that Wales is better defined in many ways than Scotland, but less well defined for the reasons you mention. As a state though, there has never been a unified single welsh state and they lack many of the institutions (especially law) that make Scottish civic nationalism potentially a more practical proposition. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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