Voting in an independent Scotland

[thisal]

20 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

For me the SNP is becoming far too careerist and less about representing areas you live in as an MSP. A candidate from south of Glasgow stood to be the Clydebank candidate, they were knocked back because essentially they’d no insight into Clydebank or its residents, yet had backing from all the other careerists, that person is now looking for an easy list seat elsewhere. Humza Yousef as (and its quite a strong field) the worst justice minister ever has also put me off voting for them. There are a few bright lights like Natalie Don in the SNP but essentially id like to see a centre left party emerge and for the mentalists like Cherry etc to go away. 

You don't like outsiders do you.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

12 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

How so?

I dont like the fact he has done nothing to support police officers, the fact he has reduced civilian staff numbers by insisting on the minimum officer level has led to less front line police than before the ‘1000’ extra cops. Feel he is incredibly hostile to them and seems more interested in entertaining the thoughts of people like Anwar etc. 
I dislike the changes made which make it harder to get violent domestic offenders kept locked up prior to court appearances which ultimately leads to repeat offending prior to undertaking appearances. 

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

11 minutes ago, thisal said:

You don't like outsiders do you.

Not that i dislike outsiders, essentially the girl im talking about basically knew very little about the area she was standing to represent and all of her headline aims were more generic with nothing specifically about improving the constituency. As ive said I dislike the careerist trend of trying to foist various FSN office holders into positions as MSPs. I particularly feel that a bit of professional experience is key, I get that some have experience of other parts of life like as carers etc. Id be particularly keen to vote for someone like Philippa Whitford. 
Also anyone think that an indy Scotland should be unicameral or bicameral? I think there would be a lot of merit in an elected second chamber to scrutinise government business and proposals. 

[Gordon EF]

Assuming we have the same voting system, I imagine I'd vote the same way I'm going to in May - SNP on the constituency vote, Green on the list.

Mi ideal scenario would would an SNP/Green coalition or SNP minority where the Greens were able to provide them a majority issue by issue, but other parties could also do so.

I'm just not going to vote Conservative or one of their weird gammon Rule Britannia off-shoots. Never have never will.

Unless something utterly drastic happens with the Labour party between then and now then I imagine they'll effectively still be a dead duck political party emptily parroting anti-SNP rhetoric and vaguely leftish soundbites. Absolutely no point in voting for that at all.

Lib Dems.... lol, f**k off.

Any other parties will still be too small to make any impact so it's a no from me.

The SNP certainly don't align perfectly with my own viewpoints on some things but I see them as a largely competent group with at least enough left-leaning tendencies to be seen as the good guys. I'd very much like the Greens to be able to inject a bit of radicalism into what would inevitably be a fairly 'establishment' governing party though.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

In your tiny wee mind. 

Are you speaking from experience?

[Baxter Parp]

I dont like the fact he has done nothing to support police officers, the fact he has reduced civilian staff numbers by insisting on the minimum officer level has led to less front line police than before the ‘1000’ extra cops. Feel he is incredibly hostile to them and seems more interested in entertaining the thoughts of people like Anwar etc. 
I dislike the changes made which make it harder to get violent domestic offenders kept locked up prior to court appearances which ultimately leads to repeat offending prior to undertaking appearances. 

Lots of "feelings" and very little evidence.

[Carnoustie Young Guvnor]

1 hour ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Not that i dislike outsiders, essentially the girl im talking about basically knew very little about the area she was standing to represent and all of her headline aims were more generic with nothing specifically about improving the constituency. As ive said I dislike the careerist trend of trying to foist various FSN office holders into positions as MSPs. I particularly feel that a bit of professional experience is key, I get that some have experience of other parts of life like as carers etc. Id be particularly keen to vote for someone like Philippa Whitford. 
Also anyone think that an indy Scotland should be unicameral or bicameral? I think there would be a lot of merit in an elected second chamber to scrutinise government business and proposals. 

Absolutely 100% bicameral with an elected second chamber akin to the Senate in the States. I actually read the 97 SNP manifesto recently, brilliant document btw and quite socialist, but it proposed a unicameral indy Scotland and I was quite surprised and disappointed.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

1 hour ago, Baxter Parp said:

2 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

I dont like the fact he has done nothing to support police officers, the fact he has reduced civilian staff numbers by insisting on the minimum officer level has led to less front line police than before the ‘1000’ extra cops. Feel he is incredibly hostile to them and seems more interested in entertaining the thoughts of people like Anwar etc. 
I dislike the changes made which make it harder to get violent domestic offenders kept locked up prior to court appearances which ultimately leads to repeat offending prior to undertaking appearances. 

Lots of "feelings" and very little evidence.

Thats your opinion, but id argue i’ve got a better insight into it than you. 
But if youre looking for references and bibliography then ok 

https://sp-bpr-en-prod-cdnep.azureedge.net/published/J/2019/3/25/Report-on-post-legislative-scrutiny-of-the-Police-and-Fire-Reform--Scotland--Act-2012---The-Police-Service-of-Scotland/JS052019R9.pdf

page 29 of this report is particularly important. Reduction of 2000 civilian staff in roles backfilled now by police officers. Less than half of the police officers (circa 17k) are ‘public facing’. 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/dundee/1095452/broughty-ferry-police-station-ceiling-caves-in-hours-after-resident-humza-yousaf-dismisses-criticism-as-hyperbole/amp/

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5196022/police-scotland-stations-falling-apart-humza-yousaf/amp/

- brushes off concerns about safety of police offices brought up by staff associations as ‘hyperbole’ and has done nothing to improve the estate and working conditions. 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-cops-driving-barely-legal-14305535.amp

- dangerous vehicles 

 

 

 

Edited January 16, 2021 by Inanimate Carbon Rod

[GNU_Linux]

Also my vote in an independent Scotland will be going to whichever irredenist promises glengarries at the border & taking back Berwick-Upon-Tweed.

Edited January 16, 2021 by GNU_Linux

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Liking this "Keep Pepp busy" thread.

[Erih Shtrep]

3 hours ago, jamamafegan said:

I went for Greens in the poll but I'm unsure. The SNP losing the first election post-indy would almost certainly be spun as "see - the people didn't want this! We must rejoin the Union!" No chance in hell Labour would ever get a vote from me unless they embraced independence. 

Fair enough and what about the Conservative party?   They've some good ideas.  

[doulikefish]

1 hour ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

Liking this "Keep Pepp busy" thread.

He is even arguing with his other alias its tremendous stuff

[welshbairn]

1 hour ago, Erih Shtrep said:

Fair enough and what about the Conservative party?   They've some good ideas.  

They're good for the Tweed industry!

[Comrie]

I don't know. I'll vote SNP until indy, but then after that....greens maybe? Where I live would most likely default to Liberal Democrat, or whatever rises in their place.

[tamthebam]

I would hope an independent Scotland would be similar to other European countries. Those tend to have a left wing party, usually called Socialists and a right wing party e.g. CDU, New Democracy etc 

The thing is in terms of economics the European conservatives tend to be to the left of our Tories. And, Corbyn excepted, the European Socialists are also more left wing than the Labour Party has been in decades.

With PR Scotland's government post independence would likely be a coalition like other European governments. If the Scottish Conservatives became less right wing and became more "one nation" I could actually see them in power in Scotland in coalition with a Scottish Liberal Democrat party in the way the CDU and FDP tend to have coalitions in Germany. I say that because Conservatives have been in power in Germany, Italy, France, Spain in recent times so why should Scotland be different post independence. If the post independence Tories continued to be like the current Tories they can get in the sea.

On the other side there might be a moderate left wing Scottish Labour party and perhaps something like the old SSP- Mhairi Black could be a leader of such a party. You might have a Labour-Socialist-Green ruling coalition as has happened in Germany. There may be smaller parties in Parliament too- perhaps an Orkney/Shetland Party looking for a Parliament for the Isles, maybe a "re-establish the Union" party which you might hope would wither with time but it's a possibility 

Personally I couldn't find myself voting for former staunch Unionists of whatever party but if you look at the way former staunch Communists in ex Warsaw Pact countries were able to become democrats and retain power then you could see folk like Willie Rennie still being around in politics post independence. Former Unionist Politicians wouldn't give up the gravy train just like that...

 

[Baxter Parp]

8 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Thats your opinion, but id argue i’ve got a better insight into it than you. 
But if youre looking for references and bibliography then ok 

All these funding issues are related to the UK government's refusal to exempt the force from VAT until recently. Yousaf can't conjure up cash out of thin air.