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According to the Courier report today, a number of players had been self isolating under the track and trace system and then further cases were identified after Tuesday's round of tests. 

It sounds like they're all asymptomatic. 

If the league don't accept our request for postponement we'll be forfeiting the match. 

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36 minutes ago, Ebanda's Handyman Services said:

Just null and void the season. 

I'm sure Hearts, Partick and Falkirk won't mind. 

Not sure about Falkirk, but I can't imagine why Hearts and Partick would object given that's what they wanted before, and they're both safe from relegation this time. 

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2 hours ago, Ro Sham Bo said:

According to the Courier report today, a number of players had been self isolating under the track and trace system and then further cases were identified after Tuesday's round of tests. 

It sounds like they're all asymptomatic. 

If the league don't accept our request for postponement we'll be forfeiting the match. 

If we have followed the protocols dont see why the league wouldn,t grant a postponement.If not we deserve any other outcome

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11 minutes ago, Rovers_Lad said:

If we have followed the protocols dont see why the league wouldn,t grant a postponement.If not we deserve any other outcome

I would guess it'll be postponed first and then investigated later, much like the St Mirren and Kilmarnock cases.

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52 minutes ago, Raithie said:

Stupid question but exactly how are the powers that be to know whether the players have been following protocol?

I imagine we'll be asked for evidence of what we've done to minimise the risks and also discuss the circumstances of the absences with the SFA. 

If we've had a few track and trace isolations we'll likely be asked to explain those and the players queried as to their whereabouts on the date of contact with an infected person. If several players are all. Isolating because of a single event of contact, we'll be up shit creek probably... 

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8 minutes ago, Michael W said:

I imagine we'll be asked for evidence of what we've done to minimise the risks and also discuss the circumstances of the absences with the SFA. 

If we've had a few track and trace isolations we'll likely be asked to explain those and the players queried as to their whereabouts on the date of contact with an infected person. If several players are all. Isolating because of a single event of contact, we'll be up shit creek probably... 

I think it depends. If they have socialised together outside of work then I'm not sure how the club can be held responsible. It would be no different from the Aberdeen incident or Bolingoli at Celtic, among others.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Michael W said:

I imagine we'll be asked for evidence of what we've done to minimise the risks and also discuss the circumstances of the absences with the SFA. 

If we've had a few track and trace isolations we'll likely be asked to explain those and the players queried as to their whereabouts on the date of contact with an infected person. If several players are all. Isolating because of a single event of contact, we'll be up shit creek probably... 

My knoweldge on track and trace are slim (I don't have it) but does it specify a date/time that an individual has been in close proximity to someone who is positive?

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2 minutes ago, Ro Sham Bo said:

I think it depends. If they have socialised together outside of work then I'm not sure how the club can be held responsible. It would be no different from the Aberdeen incident or Bolingoli at Celtic, among others.

 

 

If we aren't able to fulfill a fixture because our players have interacted contrary to national guidance, I'm afraid the only outcome is forfeit. 

Football has been warned, I'm afraid. We also aren't Celtic so the SPFL won't give us a free pass. 

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34 minutes ago, Ro Sham Bo said:

I would guess it'll be postponed first and then investigated later, much like the St Mirren and Kilmarnock cases.

Thats what you,d expect unless theres been am obvious breach of protocols

15 minutes ago, Raithie said:

My knoweldge on track and trace are slim (I don't have it) but does it specify a date/time that an individual has been in close proximity to someone who is positive?

Limited knowledge of T&T either as another who doesnt have it but believe they are asked what,where and who they have been in close contact with in previous 48 hrs

13 minutes ago, Michael W said:

If we aren't able to fulfill a fixture because our players have interacted contrary to national guidance, I'm afraid the only outcome is forfeit. 

Football has been warned, I'm afraid. We also aren't Celtic so the SPFL won't give us a free pass. 

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Surely the team are a bubble so if one gets it they all get contacted by T&T? The SFA would surely have to approach the NHS and explain they need to know exact dates/times ALL the contacted players were around an infected person to narrow down logically that it was down to the players/staff being around a fellow positive team member? And if there's any squabbles about T&T confirming someone was around an infected person at say a time when the players should be seperate how are the SFA to know that the individual wasn't at the shops or something?

It sounds like the SFA will be relying on the players being truthful and I can see a players WhatsApp group message doing the rounds as we speak (not that I advocate that).

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4 minutes ago, Raithie said:

Surely the team are a bubble so if one gets it they all get contacted by T&T? The SFA would surely have to approach the NHS and explain they need to know exact dates/times ALL the contacted players were around an infected person to narrow down logically that it was down to the players/staff being around a fellow positive team member? And if there's any squabbles about T&T confirming someone was around an infected person at say a time when the players should be seperate how are the SFA to know that the individual wasn't at the shops or something?

It sounds like the SFA will be relying on the players being truthful and I can see a players WhatsApp group message doing the rounds as we speak (not that I advocate that).

You will have a Covid medical Officer who is responsible for reporting to the SFA what players would be close contacts and why. These are usually Health Care professionals, either the Club Doctor or Physio and they aren't going to risk their licence to work by lying about those sort of things. They'll know if players shared transport, etc. As much as guidance is that shouldn't happen it's sometimes not avoidable where for instance a player does not drive or own a car. You may well have some players who live together (club flat for some of the lads who came up from England, we certainly do).

There isn't really a "bubble" in pro football. It's not like the England cricket team who actually lived together in a hotel in the summer and didn't see their families. They are the same as every other normal worker except they've a much more regimented set of rules to follow to attend their work than say shop assistants etc do. They aren't allowed to train indoors at the moment, still have to change and maintain social distancing / masking when not actually on the pitch, aren't supposed to travel together etc. They still go home at night to wherever they live and whoever they live with. They still go to shops, etc.

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57 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said:

They aren't allowed to train indoors at the moment, still have to change and maintain social distancing / masking when not actually on the pitch, aren't supposed to travel together etc. They still go home at night to wherever they live and whoever they live with. They still go to shops, etc.

And in the case of our part time players, they'll have still been going to their other job (assuming they haven't been able to work from home).  So that probably increases the risks too. 

Although I'm not sure how many part time players we have left at the club.  Kieran MacDonald, McGurn, anybody else?

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On Thursday, the club announced that we're currently dealing with an outbreak of positive COVID-19 cases amongst playing and backroom staff. The club are working with all of the appropriate authorities to work through the situation during these troubling times. Furthermore, the club have applied to the SPFL to request a postponement to this weekends scheduled fixture against Inverness CT at Stark's Park. More news will be set to follow from the club, so keep tuned for updates when available. As of midday on Friday 15th, confirmation from the SPFL has yet to be received. 
Everyone at the club send our regards to those who tested positive this week and we hope they have a speedy and asymptomatic recovery. We'll be back soon and we wish good health to all supporters during these troubling times. 
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