101 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 28 minutes ago, CallumPar said: This is what I’m not understanding. One player missed their game on Saturday with covid. These 3 new positives were available and (presumably) played that day. Government guidance is that you self isolate for 10 days from when you first experience symptoms. The rules that all clubs and players are aware of this year state that anyone with even mild symptoms is not allowed to train or play. Either these players played with symptoms and therefore should be punished, or they started experiencing symptoms in the days following the game and should be isolating for 10 days from that date. Either way, I can’t see how they are able to play in a game on the 2nd, later get symptoms/test positive and be available on the 12th without breaking rules. It depends if they have symptoms - I assume not in which case they need to see isolate from 10 days after a +test, if they had symptoms when the other players were ill and took some time to get tested then they will be fine presumably after 12th Jan unless like you say they played whilst symptomatic/ positive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of B A R P Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Looking like a Tuesday night in a marginally less Baltic Greenock... if Dunfermline had anything about them, they’d just forfeit... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share Posted January 7, 2021 Morton don't make the decisions as to what players have to isolate and which don't. The local NHS board will do that after speaking to the relevant players. They (the NHS tracing team) will then ascertain who and who was not deemed a close contact of the players who tested positive and make the necessary decisions on who needs to isolate as a result. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share Posted January 7, 2021 Anyway, if the game is moved to Tuesday we get to follow that up next Friday evening with yet another trip to Greenock. Fun! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiGi Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 You really have to feel for the Dunfermline fans who'll be missing the two trips. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 13 hours ago, 101 said: How can three players test positive today and then on Tuesday the entire squad will be available? Surely these players are now in isolation until 17th. We also had four players self-isolating already for the game v Alloa on the 2nd, in addition to the one positive we had then. If they can all be back by the 12th, that suggests the three positive cases are among the four who were already self-isolating and all of their symptoms had started already on or before the 2nd? The odds of that seem slim, but then again maybe the training bubbles have actually worked properly if the only players positive are those who were already isolating due to close contact with the other positive case, with the rest of the squad safe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 52 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said: We also had four players self-isolating already for the game v Alloa on the 2nd, in addition to the one positive we had then. If they can all be back by the 12th, that suggests the three positive cases are among the four who were already self-isolating and all of their symptoms had started already on or before the 2nd? The odds of that seem slim, but then again maybe the training bubbles have actually worked properly if the only players positive are those who were already isolating due to close contact with the other positive case, with the rest of the squad safe. Could well be, I would be worried if NHS takes that long to come back that would show a real delay in the system. Tbh I think the bubbles will work outdoor transmission is low so provided they are split between the 2/3 dressing rooms then I think that's why we have been lucky with very few cases. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted January 8, 2021 Author Share Posted January 8, 2021 If someone shows symptoms they are supposed to immediately isolate and stay in isolation until they get their test results back. If it's positive they will be contacted by the tracing team of the local NHS board. How long that takes just depends on how busy they are at the time. I know that in Dundee, in the couple of months before Christmas, that was anything from a few hours to a couple of days. No idea what it would be in Renfrewshire of course. Training outdoors almost certainly doesn't count as close contact. A lot of the times (in relation to football clubs) being a close contact is down to luck, such as how close you sat next to a certain person at lunch or where you sat on the bus. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameofthrones Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 15 hours ago, CallumPar said: This is what I’m not understanding. One player missed their game on Saturday with covid. These 3 new positives were available and (presumably) played that day. Government guidance is that you self isolate for 10 days from when you first experience symptoms. The rules that all clubs and players are aware of this year state that anyone with even mild symptoms is not allowed to train or play. Either these players played with symptoms and therefore should be punished, or they started experiencing symptoms in the days following the game and should be isolating for 10 days from that date. Either way, I can’t see how they are able to play in a game on the 2nd, later get symptoms/test positive and be available on the 12th without breaking rules. what if the players who tested positive showed no symptoms ? do the isolate for 10 days from when they tested positive ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallumPar Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 what if the players who tested positive showed no symptoms ? do the isolate for 10 days from when they tested positive ?That’s my understanding of the self-isolation rules currently in place (I could be wrong though). You isolate for 10 days from the first day you experienced symptoms. If you do not show any symptoms, it is 10 days from your positive test result.The reasoning for this is that you are most likely to spread this inside the first 10 days after catching the virus. That’s the reason players are not allowed to train/play in any capacity if they experience symptoms or fail the temperature check, which has to be done before entering the training facilities/stadium.I hadn’t realised that 4 players missed the Alloa game. If that’s the case, then you’d have to assume that all of the positive tests come from that small group, if they are all going to be available on Tuesday. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of B A R P Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 If Morton are saying all players will be available again by the 12th, the delay can only be with the announcement, rather than the testing... so no surprise there at all. Medium-term weather forecast suggests this might just make it on Tuesday night... otherwise, both clubs should be begging the SFA/SPFL for a Sunday-league style 'double-header' on Friday night... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted January 8, 2021 Author Share Posted January 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, gameofthrones said: what if the players who tested positive showed no symptoms ? do the isolate for 10 days from when they tested positive ? Yes, anyone who tests positive has to isolate. They might not show symptoms but they can still be contagious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted January 8, 2021 Author Share Posted January 8, 2021 How long is this pitch inspection taking? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of B A R P Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: How long is this pitch inspection taking? I'm guessing they'll do it as close to the 3 o'clock kick-off time as they can... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallumPar Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 I'm guessing they'll do it as close to the 3 o'clock kick-off time as they can...Morton announced that the pitch inspection was due to take place this morning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of B A R P Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 14 minutes ago, CallumPar said: Morton announced that the pitch inspection was due to take place this morning. No idea. Struggling to see the point, tho, of an inspection a day and five or six hours before kick-off. The point of doing it a day in advance is to get a sense of what the pitch might be like at kick-off time, assuming no great change in the weather. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_M Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, The Ghost of B A R P said: No idea. Struggling to see the point, tho, of an inspection a day and five or six hours before kick-off. The point of doing it a day in advance is to get a sense of what the pitch might be like at kick-off time, assuming no great change in the weather. We have decided it's off. Does it matter when we get a ref down to confirm it for us? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolph Hucker Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 31 minutes ago, Jamie_M said: We have decided it's off. Does it matter when we get a ref down to confirm it for us? Yes, I somehow suspect that it does. And that'll still be the case even if/when we're under fan ownership. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_M Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, Rudolph Hucker said: Yes, I somehow suspect that it does. And that'll still be the case even if/when we're under fan ownership. The clubs have agreed an early inspection due to the state of the pitch and it being deemed highly unlikely anything will change. The clubs have agreed the rescheduled date. The ref coming is a formality. There is no reason to leave it close to kickoff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1885 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Game off, rescheduled for Tuesday at 7:45 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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