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4 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

So presumably you disagreed with previous bans handed out for attending parties etc?

Not in the slightest.  The bans were for bringing the game into disrepute so a perfectly reasonable response to breaking the public health guidance as it was at the time.

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19 minutes ago, true fan said:

In that case no exemption for football - should have been fully shut down at Xmas or whenever it happened for lower league teams. Exemption works 2 ways. Allowed to keep going on understanding high standard of compliance was maintained. By your argument lower league players would be free to do what they wanted outside football and would still be playing

Lower league football was shut down because the players (mostly) couldn’t be tested as the clubs couldn’t afford it.  I believe the Championship was allowed to continue only if they introduced testing.  It was deemed without testing it was too risky with the new (more transmissable) strains being discovered  and therefore the lower leagues couldn’t comply with the new protocols i.e. testing for all).  The top two leagues could and were therefore allowed to carry on.

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1 hour ago, Left Back said:

Lower league football was shut down because the players (mostly) couldn’t be tested as the clubs couldn’t afford it.  I believe the Championship was allowed to continue only if they introduced testing.  It was deemed without testing it was too risky with the new (more transmissable) strains being discovered  and therefore the lower leagues couldn’t comply with the new protocols i.e. testing for all).  The top two leagues could and were therefore allowed to carry on.

That's the party line of course. 

 

 

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They have to control their players behaviour when in the football environment by implementing and following the agreed protocols.  Their responsibility ends there and those are the restrictions Sturgeon was talking about.
When not at work these employees should be following the law of the land.


Nonsense. The agreed protocols included them operating in a bubble so that they would be allowed to continue playing. Operating in a bubble does not include attending house parties...

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1 hour ago, Clayhole Blue said:

 


Nonsense. The agreed protocols included them operating in a bubble so that they would be allowed to continue playing. Operating in a bubble does not include attending house parties...

 

No-one said it did allow them to attend house parties.  
 

You seem to have no clue what the bubble actually is.  The “bubble” is related to the footballing environment.  Things like hotel stays, who is allowed in the stadium etc. It’s completely unrelated to players finishing a game, leaving the bubble (by going home) then deciding to ignore public health guidance or law.

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Football training and playing matches represents closer contact and greater mobility than is allowed for others  in society, other than people working in essential jobs. Football is obviously far from essential. An exception was made for the sake of entertainment, on the explicit basis that football players would behave appropriately. That did not represent a higher level of restraint, so they were not being asked to make any sacrifice whatsoever. They are only being asked to do what everybody else is doing. They have repeatedly shown themselves to be unable to do this.

The subject of covid testing is of lesser importance. Minimising risk lowers transmission more than testing does. Close to no spread versus letting spread happen the trying to put the cat back in the bag.

 

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31 minutes ago, true fan said:

Football training and playing matches represents closer contact and greater mobility than is allowed for others  in society, other than people working in essential jobs. Football is obviously far from essential. An exception was made for the sake of entertainment, on the explicit basis that football players would behave appropriately. That did not represent a higher level of restraint, so they were not being asked to make any sacrifice whatsoever. They are only being asked to do what everybody else is doing. They have repeatedly shown themselves to be unable to do this.

The subject of covid testing is of lesser importance. Minimising risk lowers transmission more than testing does. Close to no spread versus letting spread happen the trying to put the cat back in the bag.

 

Of course not a single non-footballer has flaunted guidelines or broken a law.  Before hanging footballers out to dry maybe wider society should be having a good look at itself.

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2 hours ago, Left Back said:

No-one said it did allow them to attend house parties.  
 

You seem to have no clue what the bubble actually is.  The “bubble” is related to the footballing environment.  Things like hotel stays, who is allowed in the stadium etc. It’s completely unrelated to players finishing a game, leaving the bubble (by going home) then deciding to ignore public health guidance or law.

In that case they could be sacked for gross misconduct and the club's covid protocol should be reviewed . If the protocol is found to be lacking then the club should be punished.  This is the second breach from Rangers after all. 

As has been stated from MPs from all parties , professional sports have been given special dispensation to allow them to continue. For the few players who  disregard that,  shows more about them and their personal attitude. 

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12 minutes ago, theoriginalhedge said:

In that case they could be sacked for gross misconduct and the club's covid protocol should be reviewed . If the protocol is found to be lacking then the club should be punished.  This is the second breach from Rangers after all. 

As has been stated from MPs from all parties , professional sports have been given special dispensation to allow them to continue. For the few players who  disregard that,  shows more about them and their personal attitude. 

Sigh.

footballer goes to work and therefore enters the bubble.  Footballer finishes work and leaves the bubble to go home to his family as everyone does after work.  They are not in the bubble 24/7 (other than when they are travelling with their club and staying in a hotel).  Him then deciding to go to the pub or a party when outside the bubble is nothing to do with the clubs covid procedures.  It’s the act of an individual.

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1 minute ago, Left Back said:

Sigh.

footballer goes to work and therefore enters the bubble.  Footballer finishes work and leaves the bubble to go home to his family as everyone does after work.  They are not in the bubble 24/7 (other than when they are travelling with their club and staying in a hotel).  Him then deciding to go to the pub or a party when outside the bubble is nothing to do with the clubs covid procedures.  It’s the act of an individual.

Unfortunately  and rightly  that's not how the authorities interpret the situation.  

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Just now, theoriginalhedge said:

Unfortunately  and rightly  that's not how the authorities interpret the situation.  

 Are you honestly trying to say that footballers 24/7 are to isolate themselves from society?  They can’t even go to the local supermarket for their shopping?  Do you really think that’s what the bubble is?  Thankfully no authorities, football or governmental, agree with you.

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4 minutes ago, Left Back said:

 Are you honestly trying to say that footballers 24/7 are to isolate themselves from society?  They can’t even go to the local supermarket for their shopping?  Do you really think that’s what the bubble is?  Thankfully no authorities, football or governmental, agree with you.

When society are told to stay at home  and isolate , then yes absolutely. 

Going to the supermarket has absolutely no bearing on this case at all. 

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4 minutes ago, theoriginalhedge said:

When society are told to stay at home  and isolate , then yes absolutely. 

Going to the supermarket has absolutely no bearing on this case at all. 

Society are not being told to isolate, they’re being told to minimise contact.  You have no clue what you’re talking about so I’ll refrain from engaging with you any further.

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16 minutes ago, Left Back said:

Society are not being told to isolate, they’re being told to minimise contact.  You have no clue what you’re talking about so I’ll refrain from engaging with you any further.

ok . No problem at all chief. 

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13 hours ago, EdinburghBlue said:

It's called punishing lawbreakers, particularly serial lawbreakers. But taking your point, maybe the FM should just shut Rangers* down. 

Punishing lawbreakers is not the job of the FM.

Alleged lawbreakers have the right to be defended in court.

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9 hours ago, Left Back said:

Society are not being told to isolate, they’re being told to minimise contact.  You have no clue what you’re talking about so I’ll refrain from engaging with you any further.

No they are being told to stay at home unless for essential purposes. Going to a house party isn't an essential purpose.

Under Rangers Covid-19 protocols, I'd expect them to continually reinforce and remind players of what they can and can't do.

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9 hours ago, theoriginalhedge said:

When society are told to stay at home  and isolate , then yes absolutely. 

Going to the supermarket has absolutely no bearing on this case at all. 

 

Premier league players will be going to the supermarket or going to a petrol station every week / month despite being in a bubble. 

Its totally out of order going to  a house party (especially with the privileges they have) but I cant believe the actual first minister of the country is getting her knickers in a twist about two or  three lads going to a house.

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13 hours ago, Clayhole Blue said:

 


Nonsense. The agreed protocols included them operating in a bubble so that they would be allowed to continue playing. Operating in a bubble does not include attending house parties...

 

You made this up in your head didn't you?

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10 hours ago, Left Back said:

 Are you honestly trying to say that footballers 24/7 are to isolate themselves from society?  They can’t even go to the local supermarket for their shopping?  Do you really think that’s what the bubble is?  Thankfully no authorities, football or governmental, agree with you.

The argument, if you are capable of following it, is that football players are being asked to what everybody else is doing ie not attend house parties. What have supermarkets got to do with it?

The only bubble here is inside your head

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1 hour ago, Smokerson said:

 

Premier league players will be going to the supermarket or going to a petrol station every week / month despite being in a bubble. 

Its totally out of order going to  a house party (especially with the privileges they have) but I cant believe the actual first minister of the country is getting her knickers in a twist about two or  three lads going to a house.

And how long is it before other halfwits say " If its good enough for them, it's good enough for us".   The problem is these clowns think they are untouchable. Football was permitted as a privilege it can easily be taken away. We have suffered through the cheeks behaviour in the lower divisions it would be hilarious if she stopped the season now for all.

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