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10 hours ago, stanley said:

Stop now and I don't think the leagues will ever get finished. I don't think there's any chance of the lockdown ending in February.

I think in the current climate its not a big deal if the league season doesn't finish.   It can just be a season of a league table where no one official wins it as no one is going to be relegated anyways.  Only people who could moan would be the ones with potentially  chance of the play-off if licensed in time.  I think a month suspension or the leagues down would be good but there lies the Scottish Cup problem

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1 hour ago, stanley said:

Agreed (was only saying that the idea of stopping now and being able to finish the season later is unrealistic IMO).

Just play into next season, easy, the clubs who sat out this year can play a wee league amongst themselves or something. Or call the league on PPG. 

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5 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Just play into next season, easy, the clubs who sat out this year can play a wee league amongst themselves or something. Or call the league on PPG. 

Sorry why you wanting to go through all that confusion.

There's  is absolutely no reason to finish the WOSF leagues next season, why, because no one is being relegated and the withdrawn teams are in at the same level they started thsi season and the playoff would be long gone so again, no need to play the season.  That is common sense

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7 minutes ago, Bestsinceslicebread said:

Sorry why you wanting to go through all that confusion.

There's  is absolutely no reason to finish the WOSF leagues next season, why, because no one is being relegated and the withdrawn teams are in at the same level they started thsi season and the playoff would be long gone so again, no need to play the season.  That is common sense

Teams have the opportunity to get licensed and promoted, theres something to play for. Its the sensible and fair option. 

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1 hour ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Teams have the opportunity to get licensed and promoted, theres something to play for. Its the sensible and fair option. 

The SFA wont allow teams or associations that are late league finish to enter the playoffs. The league must finish on a dedicated date for their winners to enter the Scheduled playoff dates.   Think the EOSFL,WOSFL and the SOSFL must finish on a date in May, (not sure of date and month so need that clarified). Obviously SOSFL wont continue this year, so they are out of playoffs and if the WOSFL cannot finish then it means the winners of the EOSFL go straight to the playoff with the bottom of the SPFL 2

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"Teams have the opportunity to get licensed and promoted, theres something to play for. Its the sensible and fair option. "

 

..thats such a short term and selfish view (IMHO) ....there is nothing sensible or fair about it in this situation.

Others have already laid out why its not sensible for part time footballers to be getting together for training or travelling for games. Even if its currently deemed legal and their are protocols documented - we all know people being people that there is no way they are being fully followed. The only accurate data we have available is at the top tier and full teams are dropping likes flies with positive tests - asymptomatic or not thats contributing to the conitnued spread.

Its not fair in that some clubs have recognised that social responsibility and stepped out - without sounding like an old firm fan any promotion would be tainted.

Lastly, if the next 12 months are like the last 12, your club could well be in the SFL without kicking a ball - as a whole host of senior clubs above you go out of business. That would come from people not recognising now the need for short term pain and sacrifice. For the long term good of the game surely you can wait another year for your team to be promoted.

 

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2 hours ago, DanMan said:

Why would it be unrealistic to take a break now and then resume in say for arguements sake a month... Genuine question..  At this time of year many games are lost to the weather anyway...Unless we are never coming out of this ...

I don't think the COVID situation will be significantly better in a month nor do I think lockdown will be lifted in February so I'm not confident that teams/the league will feel comfortable resuming next month.

It is possible to finish the season at some point but I can't see it being finished in time for the promotion playoffs should any of the teams get licensed this year.

I'm not arguing against pausing the leagues as it seems like the most sensible option. Just think that some people are very optimistic about when things will improve enough to continue playing at this level.

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1 hour ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Teams have the opportunity to get licensed and promoted, theres something to play for. Its the sensible and fair option. 

No it's not! -  'Sensible', would be to end the season and start fresh when it is safe to do so. Then these teams can fight for promotion.

This is bigger than a couple of teams chasing promotion.

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3 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Just play into next season, easy, the clubs who sat out this year can play a wee league amongst themselves or something. Or call the league on PPG. 

No reason at all why the clubs who sat out should suffer for the foolishness of those who played on. 

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7 hours ago, Shanner said:

No reason at all why the clubs who sat out should suffer for the foolishness of those who played on. 

if you wanna take it personal then do so but I honestly wonder why do people come out with stuff like this

How can it be foolishness' of anyone who played on.
Do all these teams/associations have a doctorate in medical science knowing it will be all right, NO.
Do all these teams/associations have a doctorate in medical science knowing its best to pull out or continue, NO then stop talking utter nonsense and try and make a logical post

It's a pandemic and no country knew what was best to do, never mind football teams, the countries and governments are all spitballing to see what's best., and may i add, its been changing daily, up and down since march so no wonder no one has got it right yet, but sure there's a few countries close.
 

All teams were given options to withdraw in the WOSFL, some took it, some didn't.
As stated many times that people like yourself have ignored. Once the government came out with details of Lockdown, its then down to a government Sports group with the SFA to decide on which grade and level of football is to stop and the ones who continue then the conditions of which they have to abide, (obviously medical facts, Covid facts must be at the meeting in order to decide what they think is best, that we are not privy to).

Most of us, except a few are in the same mindset that its no big deal if the season finishes or not as its not that important from the way the pandemic is changing.
It is definitely not the foolishness' of other teams, if the league carried on next season.  I don't want it to carry on and think it would be a muddled mess so when the season stops then that's it at the definitive date set out by the SFA

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7 minutes ago, Bestsinceslicebread said:

if you wanna take it personal then do so but I honestly wonder why do people come out with stuff like this

How can it be foolishness' of anyone who played on.
Do all these teams/associations have a doctorate in medical science knowing it will be all right, NO.
Do all these teams/associations have a doctorate in medical science knowing its best to pull out, NO then stop talking utter nonsense and try and make a logical post

It's a pandemic and no country knew what was best to do, never mind football teams, the countries and governments are all spitballing to see what's best.
 

All teams were given options to withdraw in the WOSFL, some took it, some didn't.
As stated many times that people like yourself have ignored. Once the government came out with details of Lockdown, its then down to a government Sports group with the SFA to decide on which grade and level of football is to stop and the ones who continue then the conditions of which they have to abide, (obviously medical facts, Covid facts must be at the meeting in order to decide what they think is best, that we are not privy to).

Most of us, except a few are in the same mindset that its no big deal if the season finishes or not as its not that important from the way the pandemic is changing.
It is definitely not the foolishness' of other teams, if the league carried on next season.  I don't want it to carry on and think it would be a muddled mess so when the season stops then that's it at the definitive date set out by the SFA

 

the teams who played on hoped in vain that they would start to get fans in and things would creep back to normal. that hasn't happened. the risks were always crystal clear in this regard and the signs are that the gamble isn't going to pay off. if this league isn't done by May/ June then cut the losses and move on. 

 

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13 minutes ago, Shanner said:

 

the teams who played on hoped in vain that they would start to get fans in and things would creep back to normal. that hasn't happened. the risks were always crystal clear in this regard and the signs are that the gamble isn't going to pay off. if this league isn't done by May/ June then cut the losses and move on. 

 

You say it was ‘foolish’ but several clubs would have played on had their players not demanded the massive wages they pay them, instead pulled out on ‘player safety’ grounds and then let players go out on loan, which goes against the ‘player safety’ decision they took as employers. Clubs made their decisions, it was reasonable given the infection/death rates before october to play as all indications were a decline in the virus, that said clubs who sat the season out for whatever reason be it genuine concern for safety or not have made their decision and thats entirely their right, but imo they shouldnt have any influence over what happens with this season now as they decided not to compete. 
 

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Cut the league down to a half season and play out the remaining 6/7 games that are left. Or call it on points per game and let whoever is top worry about getting licensed for the play off...

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15 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

You say it was ‘foolish’ but several clubs would have played on had their players not demanded the massive wages they pay them, instead pulled out on ‘player safety’ grounds and then let players go out on loan, which goes against the ‘player safety’ decision they took as employers. Clubs made their decisions, it was reasonable given the infection/death rates before october to play as all indications were a decline in the virus, that said clubs who sat the season out for whatever reason be it genuine concern for safety or not have made their decision and thats entirely their right, but imo they shouldnt have any influence over what happens with this season now as they decided not to compete. 
 

the word foolish may have been misjudged on my part but there's no way on God's green earth the season is rumbling on indefinitely and neither should it. 

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53 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

You say it was ‘foolish’ but several clubs would have played on had their players not demanded the massive wages they pay them, instead pulled out on ‘player safety’ grounds and then let players go out on loan, which goes against the ‘player safety’ decision they took as employers. Clubs made their decisions, it was reasonable given the infection/death rates before october to play as all indications were a decline in the virus, that said clubs who sat the season out for whatever reason be it genuine concern for safety or not have made their decision and thats entirely their right, but imo they shouldnt have any influence over what happens with this season now as they decided not to compete. 
 

Entirely the decision of the player if he wanted to play this season. Kilbirnie have players that went in loan , players that left completely , players that are not playing at all. Their call. The club said we are not competing this season ....if you wish to play go to another club and they can be responsible for your welfare. The loan deals are basically we would like you to return next season but really it's up to you. Clubs just like players took the decisions whether to play or not.. entirely their perogative...there is no right or wrong...they were allowed to play if they wished but aye agree clubs not competing this season really should have no influence over what happens this season 

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1 hour ago, Shanner said:

 

the teams who played on hoped in vain that they would start to get fans in and things would creep back to normal. that hasn't happened. the risks were always crystal clear in this regard and the signs are that the gamble isn't going to pay off. if this league isn't done by May/ June then cut the losses and move on. 

 

I read some of your posts with interest and think some are good but in all honestly your way out on this one.
First of all I know of a few teams who knew they could easily play without fans and most of the rest have worked out that they can just get by without fans this season so would rather continue, if allowed to do so with what they had, so to them if fans came back then it as a bonus, so your first statement in your sentence is absolutely not true.

Again, the risks were not crystal clear as it's constantly been changing daily, we all thought we would get out of this and that's why the government gave the go ahead to open universities and pubs etc.. but they were wrong and that's even without the introduction of the new virus variant, again another of your comments totally untrue.

Yes it's the only thing we are in agreement with your recent posts. If leagues are not done by the official date then stop.

I will say, that no way can clubs be blamed, or accused with any substance of foolishness.
Association are in the same boat, cannot be blamed in any way, shape or form.
Its the Government Sports Group along with the SFA could be held accountable but in reality we are in a pandemic so really no one is to blame as no one thought of how to tackle or cope with the interchangeable pandemic.

We are all trying the best we can

 

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