Cancel the season?

[Dev]

4 hours ago, cmontheloknow said:

Love the optimism but that is entirely dependent on vaccines being effective against new variants. That is a complete unknown. It is not beyond possibility we will be back in a similar situation in the autumn if a variant spreads and cannot be controlled by vaccine. Hope for the best, plan for the worst.

FWIW the point you're making here is fair. However, in the worst situation, it could go on and on. It will always be possible from now on. At some stage, if it turns out that way, then everyone will have to make decisions on how to deal with life thereafter. 

Having checked the SP web site etc there's only the smallest hint, at present, that something could go seriously worse due to a covid variant or two. They're clearly not stating that it is even likely as things stand. It is worth checking out. Anyone can do it. It may make you feel slightly less worried. Hope so.

[Nikos K]

On 02/03/2021 at 11:55, Killiepiyo said:

Widely known that the clubs competing for promotion want to play out the season for the chance of promotion as the league will never be this weak again. Given Clydebank and Kilwinning are now chair and vice chair of the west, is it reasonable to suggest that they would have some say if the season will be null and voided? I'm sure a few folk will no doubt be looking forward to the promised new high levels of impartiality and transpancy through out that process regardless.

At least you can be assured that neither of the two gents mentioned will be asking delegates to destroy emails!!  I'm sure impartiality will be shown at all times.

[Shanner]

15 hours ago, Dev said:

Such as?

as I said, you disregarded them but they are still in the thread. 

[Killiepiyo]

18 hours ago, Nikos K said:

At least you can be assured that neither of the two gents mentioned will be asking delegates to destroy emails!!  I'm sure impartiality will be shown at all times.

Pretty sure they spent a chunk of change on an investigation into that, and it established no wrong doing? On saying that I’m not sure that we got to see any emails between the now chair and vice chair during that time frame, so still remain on the fence about the whole thing. 

Edited March 4, 2021 by Killiepiyo

[Dev]

If this kit is OK'd at Government level how quickly could it be brought in for use at Pyramid matches i.e. on players, club, league and match officials? Would need sponsorship or could SFA or Leagues or Clubs fund it somehow ?

www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/new-covid-test-trialled-by-hearts-aims-to-get-fans-back-inside-full-stadiums-sooner-3153656

 

The new BioSure kit works by testing saliva with the outcome confirmed within minutes and verified via a smartphone app.

A negative result would represent a supporter’s passport into crowded events, and Hearts are keen to utilise the method if government officials approve it.

Testing kits can be mass produced through WSA Healthcare, whose subsidiary FOYS Medical sponsor Hamilton Academical’s ground.

WSA’s chief executive Chris McKendrick explained that the method would allow thousands to self-test for the virus and could get stadiums back to capacity next season.

Each test costs between £10 and £13.50, whereas PCR tests currently used by football clubs range from £60 upwards.

“The beauty of the BioSure test is because of its accuracy and price, it’s doable. It has already been CE approved, now we just need government approval,” said McKendrick.

“Utilised properly, this system would ensure everyone around about you has been shown to be virus-free, so you could fill up to capacity again. It’s exciting.

“Our job now is to get out there and speak to various businesses and try and get people back. Some of the lower-league clubs aren’t playing just now and they’ve had to fork out on expensive PCR testing during the week.

“If this is much more affordable and we can help them do it, that’s a big plus.

“I believe some of this could help now. Realistically, if we can get government approval, I don’t see why we can’t be there for the start of next season with confidence.

“We have links with football through sponsoring Hamilton and we have links with other clubs including Ann. So if we can get the support of the clubs and everybody else, hopefully we can push it a bit quicker.”

The app can be used for testing prior to large-scale events like sports matches and concerts. “The PocDoc app will be more useful if you were going to a stadium with 60,000 people or 70,000 at a rugby match at Murrayfield,” added McKendrick.

“That has all your details so there’s no way of cheating it. You do your test, you get our result within 15 minutes, that will be uploaded for you and you get a confirmation.

“Effectively that’s your pass to get into the stadium. We’re now in a confident position and we’re reaching out to people. We can provide it in vast quantities and, if people want it, we can provide it very soon.”

Decisions on who would fund the tests have yet to be made. “If you go to a local place you may get a PCR test for £60-80, if you go to an airport or have to quarantine you’re hearing well over £100,” said McKendrick. “We think it’s going to be between £10-13.50, depending on volume.

“Who pays for that? The fan? The club? Can it be subsidised by government? These are the things we are speaking to people about. There is obviously a big desire to get the economy going and that will only happen if we get people back into stadiums like Tynecastle.”

[cmontheloknow]

20 hours ago, Dev said:

FWIW the point you're making here is fair. However, in the worst situation, it could go on and on. It will always be possible from now on. At some stage, if it turns out that way, then everyone will have to make decisions on how to deal with life thereafter. 

Having checked the SP web site etc there's only the smallest hint, at present, that something could go seriously worse due to a covid variant or two. They're clearly not stating that it is even likely as things stand. It is worth checking out. Anyone can do it. It may make you feel slightly less worried. Hope so.

I am not worried. I am out and about more than most due to co-parenting children that live in a different part of Scotland. I take a covid test twice a week due to work asking it.

My own level of personal worry is not really relevant when talking about prospects of things being as they were 14 months ago when it comes to mass gatherings etc. I am not that invested in it. The vaccine is not the golden ticket to 2019 though. That is all I am saying.

Edited March 4, 2021 by cmontheloknow

[Burnieman]

I am not worried. I am out and about more than most due to co-parenting children that live in a different part of Scotland. I take a covid test twice a week due to work asking it.
My own level of personal worry is not really relevant when talking about prospects of things being as they were 14 months ago when it comes to mass gatherings etc. I am not that invested in it. The vaccine is not the golden ticket to 2019 though. That is all I am saying.

The vaccine is the golden ticket, because that's as good as it gets. Once everyone is jagged twice come August, let's get on with life again.

The data looks very positive, transmission looks as though it is drastically reduced with vaccination, along with hospitalisations almost eliminated. The vulnerable will also have access to a booster which deals more effectively with the variants.

Next season can look normal in every respect, no reason why it shouldn't.

This season however is looking increasingly like a busted flush.

[jimbaxters]

1 hour ago, cmontheloknow said:

I am not worried. I am out and about more than most due to co-parenting children that live in a different part of Scotland. I take a covid test twice a week due to work asking it.

My own level of personal worry is not really relevant when talking about prospects of things being as they were 14 months ago when it comes to mass gatherings etc. I am not that invested in it. The vaccine is not the golden ticket to 2019 though. That is all I am saying.

Have to agree with Burnieman on this one pal. The vaccine is the only way we can get life back fully. There will be new aspects of awareness and behaviour but there has to be a line in the sand somewhere and getting vaccinated is it. 

Edited March 4, 2021 by jimbaxters

[santheman]

5 hours ago, Dev said:

If this kit is OK'd at Government level how quickly could it be brought in for use at Pyramid matches i.e. on players, club, league and match officials? Would need sponsorship or could SFA or Leagues or Clubs fund it somehow ?

www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/new-covid-test-trialled-by-hearts-aims-to-get-fans-back-inside-full-stadiums-sooner-3153656

 

The new BioSure kit works by testing saliva with the outcome confirmed within minutes and verified via a smartphone app.

A negative result would represent a supporter’s passport into crowded events, and Hearts are keen to utilise the method if government officials approve it.

Testing kits can be mass produced through WSA Healthcare, whose subsidiary FOYS Medical sponsor Hamilton Academical’s ground.

WSA’s chief executive Chris McKendrick explained that the method would allow thousands to self-test for the virus and could get stadiums back to capacity next season.

Each test costs between £10 and £13.50, whereas PCR tests currently used by football clubs range from £60 upwards.

“The beauty of the BioSure test is because of its accuracy and price, it’s doable. It has already been CE approved, now we just need government approval,” said McKendrick.

 

“Utilised properly, this system would ensure everyone around about you has been shown to be virus-free, so you could fill up to capacity again. It’s exciting.

“Our job now is to get out there and speak to various businesses and try and get people back. Some of the lower-league clubs aren’t playing just now and they’ve had to fork out on expensive PCR testing during the week.

“If this is much more affordable and we can help them do it, that’s a big plus.

“I believe some of this could help now. Realistically, if we can get government approval, I don’t see why we can’t be there for the start of next season with confidence.

“We have links with football through sponsoring Hamilton and we have links with other clubs including Ann. So if we can get the support of the clubs and everybody else, hopefully we can push it a bit quicker.”

The app can be used for testing prior to large-scale events like sports matches and concerts. “The PocDoc app will be more useful if you were going to a stadium with 60,000 people or 70,000 at a rugby match at Murrayfield,” added McKendrick.

“That has all your details so there’s no way of cheating it. You do your test, you get our result within 15 minutes, that will be uploaded for you and you get a confirmation.

“Effectively that’s your pass to get into the stadium. We’re now in a confident position and we’re reaching out to people. We can provide it in vast quantities and, if people want it, we can provide it very soon.”

Decisions on who would fund the tests have yet to be made. “If you go to a local place you may get a PCR test for £60-80, if you go to an airport or have to quarantine you’re hearing well over £100,” said McKendrick. “We think it’s going to be between £10-13.50, depending on volume.

“Who pays for that? The fan? The club? Can it be subsidised by government? These are the things we are speaking to people about. There is obviously a big desire to get the economy going and that will only happen if we get people back into stadiums like Tynecastle.”

You can just imagine it at a WOSFL game when auld Davie rolls up.

Nice to see you again auld yin, that's 3 quid to get in plus £13.50 for your covid test. Do you still want a raffle ticket?

Seriously though at least it's another potential step in the right direction.

[Dev]

47 minutes ago, santheman said:

You can just imagine it at a WOSFL game when auld Davie rolls up.

Nice to see you again auld yin, that's 3 quid to get in plus £13.50 for your covid test. Do you still want a raffle ticket?

Seriously though at least it's another potential step in the right direction.

Can just imagine it but I was thinking of non-spectators. Video camera operators would be essential staff.

The SP could score a spectacular goal here if they only seemed bothered enough to make something positive happen. They could even use these games with spectators allowed in controlled small numbers in order to show UEFA that this summer's tournament can go ahead as scheduled. Not holding my breath though.

Edited March 4, 2021 by Dev
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[AlanCamelonfan]

17 hours ago, Dev said:

Can just imagine it but I was thinking of non-spectators. Video camera operators would be essential staff.

The SP could score a spectacular goal here if they only seemed bothered enough to make something positive happen. They could even use these games with spectators allowed in controlled small numbers in order to show UEFA that this summer's tournament can go ahead as scheduled. Not holding my breath though.

The scottish government think football is football without realising how different rangers are from camelon juniors. Rangers players are together all the time and when ur in a situation like that they are more likely to be picking up infection.  

I know burnieman claims about a musselburgh and Blackburn player but I dont believe they contracted it from their. If the right protocols are their it works fine. Dont need testing.

Scottish government are in the fierty squad. British government at least are trying in england. I actually think if we had their approach up here we would be far better at making sure it works than in england.

[Burnieman]

Just now, AlanCamelonfan said:

The scottish government think football is football without realising how different rangers are from camelon juniors. Rangers players are together all the time and when ur in a situation like that they are more likely to be picking up infection.  

I know burnieman claims about a musselburgh and Blackburn player but I dont believe they contracted it from their. If the right protocols are their it works fine. Dont need testing.

Scottish government are in the fierty squad. British government at least are trying in england. I actually think if we had their approach up here we would be far better at making sure it works than in england.

It doesn't matter what you believe. There is a high probability that our player contracted Covid from the positive player who he was directly marking during the game, and presumably with a more transmissable variant now in wider circulation it may be playing a part in their thinking about when and how to allow non-testing football to return.

[AlanCamelonfan]

43 minutes ago, Burnieman said:

It doesn't matter what you believe. There is a high probability that our player contracted Covid from the positive player who he was directly marking during the game, and presumably with a more transmissable variant now in wider circulation it may be playing a part in their thinking about when and how to allow non-testing football to return.

High probability based on what? Someone's opinion. There is no exact science with it.

[Burnieman]

1 minute ago, AlanCamelonfan said:

High probability based on what? Someone's opinion. There is no exact science with it.

No but if the SFA and their Govt advisor (Leitch or one of his lackeys) are telling us that, then I'll tend to go along with it.

[AlanCamelonfan]

51 minutes ago, Burnieman said:

No but if the SFA and their Govt advisor (Leitch or one of his lackeys) are telling us that, then I'll tend to go along with it.

The same advisors that told shire andndunipace to isolate when they disnt have too

[Burnieman]

Just now, AlanCamelonfan said:

The same advisors that told shire andndunipace to isolate when they disnt have too

No, that was Track and Trace people.

[AlanCamelonfan]

1 minute ago, Burnieman said:

No, that was Track and Trace people.

It's someone guessing 

[Big Dougie]

1 hour ago, Burnieman said:

No but if the SFA and their Govt advisor (Leitch or one of his lackeys) are telling us that, then I'll tend to go along with it.

The same people who has been advising that it takes 15 mins of sustained contact to maximise the risk of catching it. In real terms they are guessing, and to say that your player caught it on the pitch is also guesswork.

Edited March 5, 2021 by Big Dougie

[Burnieman]

2 minutes ago, Big Dougie said:

The same people who has been advising that it takes 15 mins if sustained contact to maximise the risk of catching it. In real terms they are guessing, and to say that your player caught it on the pitch is guesswork, much like they are doing.

They'll know the player movements before and afterwards and so they will use that to assess the probablility of where he contracted it, and yes it will not be conclusive in the slightest but I'm going to follow what they say over Big Dougie on the internet saying something different    There could be more examples they know about, who knows.

They clearly think there's a chance players can contract it on the pitch and if that is the case that will no doubt be in their thinking when considering the return of non-testing football.  At the moment, no football is allowed unles you carry out PCR tests and looking at the mood music that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.

[santheman]

20 hours ago, Dev said:

Can just imagine it but I was thinking of non-spectators. Video camera operators would be essential staff.

The SP could score a spectacular goal here if they only seemed bothered enough to make something positive happen. They could even use these games with spectators allowed in controlled small numbers in order to show UEFA that this summer's tournament can go ahead as scheduled. Not holding my breath though.

We could always follow China's lead and start doing anal swabs, that would be fun.