Lex Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 With all due respect, the choking stuff is nonsense isn't it. A team of chokers doesn't progress consistently through European knockout competitions. Last year was a consequence of being over-reliant on Morelos and not having the ability to replace him when he was off-form, as well as injuries to other key players. Celtic in the League Cup was a match we absolutely dominated and got unlucky in. St Mirren this season was a game we rotated too heavily for and St Mirren threw something at us we were completely unprepared for. People absolutely love narratives like these in football but by and large, most of them are rubbish.Getting through the Europa League Group stage does not mean you are a team who doesn’t choke FFS. If you were to go on and win it of course, that would be a different story.Why do you think a team with the second biggest budget in the country hasn’t won a single major title since 2012? Plenty of teams with smaller budgets have managed it. Hibs, Ross County, St Mirren, St Johnstone, ICT, Aberdeen etc. Why haven’t you? The simple answer is because your club consistently bottles it in the big, high pressure games. Personally I don’t really care if you choke the league or not, it will be a good laugh for the neutral whichever one of you wins it. If any club is capable of throwing away a 19 point lead though, it’s the shitebags from Govan. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 "If Rangers won the league before they win the league now but these guys bottle it when they could win stuff but I'm no saying they'll bottle it but they could bottle it like" Thanks for that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gannonball Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 If you can win 54 titles in 8 years I suppose anything is possible. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbix Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 21 minutes ago, Lex said: Getting through the Europa League Group stage does not mean you are a team who doesn’t choke FFS. If you were to go on and win it of course, that would be a different story. Why do you think a team with the second biggest budget in the country hasn’t won a single major title since 2012? Plenty of teams with smaller budgets have managed it. Hibs, Ross County, St Mirren, St Johnstone, ICT, Aberdeen etc. Why haven’t you? The simple answer is because your club consistently bottles it in the big, high pressure games. Personally I don’t really care if you choke the league or not, it will be a good laugh for the neutral whichever one of you wins it. If any club is capable of throwing away a 19 point lead though, it’s the shitebags from Govan. How is getting knocked out of a knockout tournament by teams more fancied to win than you choking? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, Lex said: Getting through the Europa League Group stage does not mean you are a team who doesn’t choke FFS. If you were to go on and win it of course, that would be a different story. Why do you think a team with the second biggest budget in the country hasn’t won a single major title since 2012? Plenty of teams with smaller budgets have managed it. Hibs, Ross County, St Mirren, St Johnstone, ICT, Aberdeen etc. Why haven’t you? The simple answer is because your club consistently bottles it in the big, high pressure games. Personally I don’t really care if you choke the league or not, it will be a good laugh for the neutral whichever one of you wins it. If any club is capable of throwing away a 19 point lead though, it’s the shitebags from Govan. It absolutely does mean that. If meeting and exceeding your goals isn't proof that you don't choke, then nothing is. Here's the difference between domestic and European knockout tournaments: domestic tournaments are single leg, European ones are two-leg. This means that domestic tournaments are much more susceptible to single-game variance - they're much more dependent on luck. European knockout ties are still influenced by luck, but to a much lesser extent. They're therefore a better measure of a team than domestic cups, but not as good as a league campaign. That's not a criticism of domestic cups btw - I like single-elimination ties. It's more fun and exciting and it's good to see different teams having a shot at a trophy. Obviously teams with bigger budgets are still more likely to win, but a single-elimination tournament is much more heavily influenced by luck than is generally accepted. it's pretty surprising how often the better team doesn't win a football match. For four years after 2012, we were - to borrow a phrase @AmericanFan would use - a dumpster fire. We didn't spend the budget we had efficiently. This was the case until Gerrard came in really. That helps explain why we weren't really competitive - we weren't any good. When Gerrard came in, we got better, but it's a process. The difference between this season and Gerrard's other seasons is the strength of this squad. The acquisitions in the summer have proved hugely influential. We've also changed the way we play so that goals and scoring opportunities are now spread around the team. These changes have a far more meaningful impact on Rangers title chances than some abstract quality like "bottle", which only really exists to fill newspaper column inches. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrik's tongue Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 56 minutes ago, Orbix said: How is getting knocked out of a knockout tournament by teams more fancied to win than you choking? Like St Mirren you mean? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbix Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 47 minutes ago, Henrik's tongue said: Like St Mirren you mean? Yes. If St Mirren had lost to Rangers (the favourites before the game), no one could have accused them of choking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Is Duffy going back? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanFan Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 3 hours ago, G51 said: It absolutely does mean that. If meeting and exceeding your goals isn't proof that you don't choke, then nothing is. Here's the difference between domestic and European knockout tournaments: domestic tournaments are single leg, European ones are two-leg. This means that domestic tournaments are much more susceptible to single-game variance - they're much more dependent on luck. European knockout ties are still influenced by luck, but to a much lesser extent. They're therefore a better measure of a team than domestic cups, but not as good as a league campaign. That's not a criticism of domestic cups btw - I like single-elimination ties. It's more fun and exciting and it's good to see different teams having a shot at a trophy. Obviously teams with bigger budgets are still more likely to win, but a single-elimination tournament is much more heavily influenced by luck than is generally accepted. it's pretty surprising how often the better team doesn't win a football match. For four years after 2012, we were - to borrow a phrase @AmericanFan would use - a dumpster fire. We didn't spend the budget we had efficiently. This was the case until Gerrard came in really. That helps explain why we weren't really competitive - we weren't any good. When Gerrard came in, we got better, but it's a process. The difference between this season and Gerrard's other seasons is the strength of this squad. The acquisitions in the summer have proved hugely influential. We've also changed the way we play so that goals and scoring opportunities are now spread around the team. These changes have a far more meaningful impact on Rangers title chances than some abstract quality like "bottle", which only really exists to fill newspaper column inches. haha. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanFan Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 17 hours ago, Mr. Alli said: Can you describe these "multiple legitimate scoring chances", please? It's just that, Celtic had 3 shots on target in 90 minutes. 3 of those 3 chances came in the first half. I can't remember McGregor having to make a single save in the second 45, that's most likely because - as the stats show - he never had a shot to save. Unless you're counting Christie and Rogic etc zipping 35 yarders over the stand as "legitimate scoring chances". Sure thing. Elyounoussi had a shot from just outside the box that went just inches over the bar maybe 3 minutes after Rangers goal. In the final two minutes, if Edouard either makes a different touch on the ball or runs onto it in the box at a different angle, I believe he would have had a near point-blank shot. Btw, congrats on your beatdown of Hearts. Guess I'll erase my graffiti. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girth Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) How come Lenny hasn’t been punted yet!? Get this man in the driving seat. Edited January 3, 2021 by Girth 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Leonard and Broonaldo sinking pints in Dubai. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, bennett said: Leonard and Broonaldo sinking pints in Dubai. You sure that wasn’t Broony pre-match? few pints then look for a scrap. Probably rounded off the day with a kebab. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TommyLeePwns Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 hour ago, bennett said: Crazy days eh, Rangers get to a Euro final in 08 and are denied fixture changes as to prepare themselves better and possibly do a solid for the Scottish profile on the international stage. Celtic want to go on holiday during a pandemic and that's ok. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Brees Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 9 minutes ago, TommyLeePwns said: Crazy days eh, Rangers get to a Euro final in 08 and are denied fixture changes as to prepare themselves better and possibly do a solid for the Scottish profile on the international stage. Celtic want to go on holiday during a pandemic and that's ok. I don’t agree with Celtic getting a game put back, or with them going away but you’re clutching at straws a bit picking a scenario from 13 years ago, and from a season where rangers were allowed to postpone a game v Gretna to get a humping off Lyon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gannonball Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 16 minutes ago, TommyLeePwns said: Crazy days eh, Rangers get to a Euro final in 08 and are denied fixture changes as to prepare themselves better and possibly do a solid for the Scottish profile on the international stage. Celtic want to go on holiday during a pandemic and that's ok. 3 minutes ago, Drew Brees said: I don’t agree with Celtic getting a game put back, or with them going away but you’re clutching at straws a bit picking a scenario from 13 years ago, and from a season where rangers were allowed to postpone a game v Gretna to get a humping off Lyon. I think his dad also forgot to tell him that the league got extended too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 27 minutes ago, TommyLeePwns said: Crazy days eh, Rangers get to a Euro final in 08 and are denied fixture changes as to prepare themselves better and possibly do a solid for the Scottish profile on the international stage. Celtic want to go on holiday during a pandemic and that's ok. Yes, we should definitely have had easily the biggest game in our entire history shoved to midweek, given that Rangers fans did such an excellent job of promoting our country's profile in Manchester. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Just now, Monkey Tennis said: Yes, we should definitely have had easily the biggest game in our entire history shoved to midweek, given that Rangers fans did such an excellent job of promoting our country's profile in Manchester. ACAB 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 34 minutes ago, TommyLeePwns said: Crazy days eh, Rangers get to a Euro final in 08 and are denied fixture changes as to prepare themselves better and possibly do a solid for the Scottish profile on the international stage. Celtic want to go on holiday during a pandemic and that's ok. Prime chance to laugh at Celtic and you end up embarrassing yourself. Shame. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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