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"I take a less gloomy view. A good life means fighting to be human under growing difficulties. A lot of young folk know this and fight very hard, but after a few years life gets easier for them and they think they've become completely human when they've only stopped trying. I stopped trying, but my life was so full of strenuous routines that I wouldn't have noticed had it not been for my disease. My whole professional life was a diseased and grandiose attack on my humanity. It is an achievement to know now that I am simply a wounded and dying man. Who can be more regal than a dying man?" 

Lanark (1981) - Alasdair Gray

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It's the second Sunday of the month, so it's time for a new Dead Pool thread. Historical continuity carries on, but we still don't know where it all started. One year I'm sure I'll find out who started the P&B Dead Pool, but it's not this year.

If you're new to the Dead Pool, it's quite simple. You pick fifteen celebrities you think will die over the course of the coming year (2021). If any of them die, you get points. Whoever gets the most points by the end of the year wins, everyone else is furious at their choices and over-compensates by putting a bunch of oldies in the next year's team and they barely score anything.

If you still fancy getting some enjoyment out of people dying, here's what you need to know:

RULES

  • To enter, you must be registered on Pie & Bovril before this thread was posted.
  • To enter, send me a private message containing the names of 15 celebrities you think will die in 2021. To make it as easy as possible for me and limit the possibility of mistakes, please try to spell their names correctly. If they use alternate names, please make a note of this. Reasons for a person's fame are welcome.
  • When submitting a team, please create a new message. In order to have space in my inbox for everyone's entries I have to empty it each year. If you reply to a previous message you've sent me, I won't see it.
  • For the purposes of eligibility, your PM must be sent to me by 00:00 GMT, January 1, 2021. The game will officially end on 00:00 GMT, January 1, 2022. 
  • Despite this, if someone dies in a different time zone, the local time and date will be considered instead.
  • In order to be eligible upon death, your entrants must receive an obituary in a UK-based national news source. Websites concerning a niche interest do not count in this instance - it must be a mainstream news source. If you pick someone obscure or non-British, you may have to find and post a qualifying obituary.
  • The Lauren Hill Rule - American college sports personalities are not eligible.
  • The Liz Taylor Rule - Is someone a celebrity if their child or spouse or relative is famous? Probably not. If their only claim to fame is a well-known relation, they don't count.
  • The Abubakar Shekau Rule - If a pick's date of birth is unconfirmed or unavailable, their points will be calculated assuming their date of birth is the 1st of January of the latest year provided by relevant sources.
  • The Terminal Rule - People who are famous specifically for being ill are not eligible.
  • The World's Greatest Democracy Rule - People who are on death row or facing trial where the death penalty is a mooted sentence are not eligible. Fugitives on the run are eligible.
  • Your entrants must be human.
  • Your entrants must be over the age of 18.
  • Your entrants cannot be fictional characters.
  • You are not allowed to kill any of your entrants yourself. If a P&B user is found to be responsible for the death of any of their entrants, they will be disqualified from this and all future Dead Pools.
  • You are not allowed to select any P&B members. If, upon death, it emerges that a celebrity was a P&B poster, this is allowed.
  • It is your responsibility to ensure all of your entrants are alive. Don't do what someone did last year and pick Neil Armstrong (d.2012).
  • If you pick someone who dies in the final days of 2020 it is your responsibility to PM me with a replacement pick. I would suggest including a short list of back-up picks, just in case.
  • Scores will be updated and posted, hopefully, every Sunday.

SCORING

  • Base Points: Each death is worth 125 points minus the person's age. So the younger your picks, the more points if they die.
  • There are several multipliers available:
  • First Blood - The first person to die in 2021 gets 25 extra points.
  • Last Gasp - The last person to die in 2021 gets 25 extra points.
  • Solo Shot - If you are the only person to pick someone who dies you get a bonus of 50 points.
  • Deadly Duo - If only two people pick someone who dies you both get a bonus of 25 points.
  • Captain Bonus - You can nominate a captain of your team who receives an extra set of Base Points added to their score.
  • Inherent Vice - You can nominate a vice-captain of your team who receives an extra set of half Base Points (rounded up) added to their score.
  • (If you do not nominate a Captain or Vice-captain, I will consider the first and second respective names on your list for these positions)
  • Deadly December - If your pick dies in December, you get an extra set of Base Points in addition to any other bonuses.
  • Unnatural Causes - If your pick is murdered, commits suicide or has an accident, you get 30 extra points.

There's nothing else I need to say about this year. The Firing Squad Bonus is gone to get some simplicity on the spreadsheet, so it's just the basics you have to look out for. I think everyone who participates usually understands the basics of how the game works, so if you do have a question or are confused then feel free to post, we'll do our best to answer it. 

With that in mind, all I have left to say is: GOOD LUCK!

Edited by Miguel Sanchez

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Standings (20/06/21)

1. Ned Nederlander 503
2. Savage Henry 344
3. Fuctifano 259
4. Bishop Briggs 241
5. choirbairn 240
6. Lofarl 193
7. Ludo*1 173
8. buddiepaul 172
9. doulikefish 163

10. Indale Winton, pub car king 152
12. ICTJohnboy 150
13. senorsoupe, stanton 149
15. psv_killie 147
16. The DA 146
17. Arch Stanton 141
18. JustOneCornetto 139
19. sparky88 135

20. lolls, Mark Connolly 120
22. HI HAT 116

23. Arbroatlegend36-0 113
24. peasy23, sleazy 112
26. chomp my root 108
27. Amandajoan 103
28. Bold Rover, D.V.T. 102

30. dee_62 101
31. Willie adie 94
32. Bert Raccoon 93
33. amnarab 91
34. Lex, The Hologram 89

36. Cardinal Richelieu, jimbaxters 86
38. 101, Billy Jean King, nessies long lost ghost 84
41. weirdcal 83
42. cdisaaccie, lichtgilphead, The_Craig 81
45. Raidernation 77

46. gkneil 69
47. Sweaty Morph 68
48. CountyFan 67
49. LoonsYouthTeam 62

50. thistledo 58
51. El Guapo, theportman, TxRover 55
54. Busta Nut, cambozpar, djchapsticks, Duszek, Empty It, Salvo Montalbano, weejack 52
61. Bulbasaur, coprolite 51

63. BillyAnchor 39
64. Aim Here, Curmudgeon 32

66. Arabdownunder, Blootoon87, Eednud, Enigma, gingette, GTG_03, Karpaty Lviv, Melanius Mullarkey, microdave, mozam76, paulathame, Perkin Flump, qos_75, Sergeant Wilson, Sherrif John Bunnell, Shotgun, Speckled Tangerine, The Master, The Naitch, thisal 26
86. Everyone else 0

This is a spreadsheet of everyone's picks and scores: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-OTo44wF_W7A4Q0NFnd1sX3qEDdxTLDobvjhhSgnzkg/edit?usp=sharing

Edited by Miguel Sanchez

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Here is a list of all the names picked, with a number indicating how many times they were picked:

Spoiler

Prince Philip 54

Doddie Weir 36

Linda Nolan 31

Jimmy Carter 29

Tom Parker 28
Tom Smith 28

Billy Connolly 24

Sarah Harding 23

Bobby Charlton 22
Rob Burrow 22

Shannen Doherty 21

Jimmy Greaves 20
Leon Spinks 20
Olivia Newton-John 20
Rush Limbaugh 20

George Alagiah 15
Rolf Harris 15

Dick van Dyke 14
Murray Walker 14

Bill Turnbull 13
Mikhail Gorbachev 13

Gerd Muller 11
Leslie Phillips 11
Prunella Scales 11

David Attenborough 10
Elizabeth II 10
Ghislaine Maxwell 10
June Brown 10
Paul Gascoigne 10
Pope Benedict XVI 10
Shane MacGowan 10

Ozzy Osbourne 9
Tim Bilton 9

Buzz Aldrin 8
Chris Rea 8
Clint Eastwood 8
Henry Kissinger 8
Tom Moore 8

Glen Michael 7
James Whale 7
Norman Tebbit 7
Peter Tobin 7
Rupert Murdoch 7
Stanley Baxter 7
Yoko Ono 7

Angela Lansbury 6
Frank Williams 6
Jack Nicholson 6
Jimmy Calderwood 6
Keith Richards 6
Larry King 6
Michael Heseltine 6
Michael Schumacher 6

Alex Ferguson 5
Bertie Auld 5
Betty White 5
Bob Barker 5
Bob Dole 5
Christopher Plummer 5
Denis Law 5
Donald Trump 5
Michael Caine 5
Michael J. Fox 5
Pele 5
Stephen Darby 5

Bernard Cribbins 4
Bill Cosby 4
Bobby George 4
Dai Davies 4
David Gulpilili 4
Dennis Skinner 4
Dick Cheney 4
Gene Hackman 4
Harvey Weinstein 4
Jeff Bridges 4
Joanne Woodward 4
Joe Biden 4
Kim Jong-Un 4
Mel Brooks 4
Michael Parkinson 4
Norman Lloyd 4
Tom Weiskopf 4
Trevor Peacock 4
Walter Mondale 4

6ix9ine 3
Akihito 3
Barry Cryer 3
Bob Dylan 3
Bob Newhart 3
Charlie Sheen 3
Chelsie Whibley 3
Craig Brown 3
David Crosby 3
David Steel 3
Desmond Tutu 3
Dickie Daviews 3
Don King 3
Douglas Hurd 3
Eileen Derbyshire 3
Gary Burgess 3
Jacqui Beltrao 3
Jake Roberts 3
James Bolam 3
James Earl Jones 3
Jane Fonda 3
Jesy Nelson 3
John Major 3
Lester Piggott 3
Linda Ronstadt 3
Maggie Smith 3
Michael Douglas 3
Ric Flair 3
Ringo Starr 3
Roger Hunt 3
Sidney Poitier 3
Stephen King 3
Stuart Hall 3
Tony Bennett 3
Willie Nelson 3

Alan Brazil 2
Alexei Navalny 2
Angie Dickinson 2
Anthony Hopkins 2
Barbara Knox 2
Barry Davies 2
Billie Jean King 2
Brigitte Bardot 2
Burt Bacharach 2
Christopher Biggins 2
Christy Dignam 2
Cloris Leachman 2
Dave Clark 2
Dave Mustaine 2
David Jason 2
Delia Smith 2
Des Lynam 2
F.W. De Klerk 2
Frankie Valli 2
Geoffrey Boycott 2
Glynis Johns 2
Greg Norman 2
Hal Holbrook 2
Harry Benson 2
Ian St. John 2
Ian Watkins 2
Imelda Marcos 2
James Martin 2
Jean-Louis Trintignant 2
Jean-Marie Le Pen 2
Jet Black 2
Jim Dale 2
Jim Lovell 2
John Daly 2
John Prescott 2
Johnny Ruffo 2
Joni Mitchell 2
Julian Assange 2
Julie Strain 2
Kenny Dalglish 2
Kenny Sansom 2
Leonard Fenton 2
Margreth II 2
Mary Berry 2
Meat Loaf 2
Michael Barrymore 2
Michael Cullen 2
Miley Cyrus 2
Patricia Routledge 2
Pervez Musharraf 2
Pete Doherty 2
Phil Collins 2
Phil Spector 2
Prince Andrew 2
Ray Reardon 2
Richard O'Sullivan 2
Robert Wagner 2
Rod Laver 2
Ron Flowers 2
Ron Jeremy 2
Sandy Gall 2
Slick Woods 2
Stephen Yaxley-Lennon 2
Sylvester McCoy 2
Thelma Barlow 2
Tim Curry 2
Tim Keller 2
Tom Jones
Tracey Emin 2
Val Kilmer 2
Vince McMahon 2
William Perry 2
William Shatner 2
Winnie Ewing 2

Abdelaziz Bouteflika 1
Abdul Fakir 1
Abu Ibrahim al-Hasimi al-Quarashi 1
Abubakar Shekau 1
Adam Busby 1
Akebono Taro 1
Alain Delon 1
Alanis Morissette 1
Alberto Fujimori 1
Alan Bennett 1
Alexander Butterfield 1
Alex Honnold 1
Alex Salmond 1
Alex Totten 1
Alice Munro 1
Allan Clarke 1
Ally Law 1
Amanda Bynes 1
Andy Goram 1
Ann Jones 1
Anne Reid 1
Angela Merkel 1
Archie Gemmill 1
Ariana Grande 1
Arnold Schwarzenegger 1
Art Garfunkel 1
Arthur Scargill 1
A.S. Byatt 1
Barbara Bach 1
Barbara Walters 1
Barry Bennell 1
Bashar al-Assad 1
Ben Shephard 1
Ben Stiller 1
Bernard Hill 1
Bernard Ingham 1
Bernard Tapie 1
Bernie Ecclestone 1
Bernie Madoff 1
Bernie Sanders 1
Berry Gordy 1
Bertram Bowyer 1
Betty Boothroyd 1
Bill Cash 1
Bill Clinton 1
Bill Giles 1
Bill Treacher 1
Bill Wyman 1
Billy Cox 1
Billy Graham 1
Billy J. Kramer 1
Bob Harris 1
Bob Richards 1
Bobby Seith 1
Boris Spassky 1
Brendan Weinstein 1
Bret Hart 1
Brian Blessed 1
Brian Robertson 1
Brian Taylor 1
Brian Wilson 1
Britt Ekland 1
Bruce Springsteen 1
Caitlin Flanagan 1
Carole King 1
Catherine Deneuve 1
Catherine Wreford 1
Charles Sobhraj 1
Charlie Watts 1
Chris Chilton 1
Chris Nicholl 1
C.J. Sansom 1
Clarissa Eden 1
Cleo Laine 1
Cliff Richard 1
Clive Sinclair 1
Colin Bell 1
Colin Powell 1
Connie Booth 1
Cormac McCarthy 1
C.W. McCall 1
D'Andra Simmons 1
Dana Scallon 1
Daniella Westbrook 1
Danny Baker 1
Danny McGrain 1
Dave Clark 1
Dave Clark 1
Dave Edmunds 1
Dave King 1
David Berkowitz 1
David Essex 1
David Hockney 1
David Owen 1
Demi Lovato 1
Dennis Rader 1
Derek Draper 1
Derek Jacobi 1
Dickie Bird 1
Dick Gaughan 1
Dieter Meier 1
Dolly Parton 1
Don DeLillo 1
Donald Smith 1
Doreen Mantle 1
Dorothy Paul 1
Doyle Brunson 1
Duncan Goodhew 1
Dustin Hoffman 1
Dylan Summers 1
Eduardo Berizzo 1
Edward James Olmos 1
Elisabeth Waldo 1
Elliott Gould 1
Elton John 1
Engelbert Humpderdinck 1
Eric Richard 1
Esther Rantzen 1
Eva Marie Saint 1
Evander Holyfield 1
Fayez al-Sarraj 1
Floyd Little 1
Francis Lee 1
Frank Borman 1
Frank Ifield 1
Frank Williams 1
Frankie Miller 1
Freda Payne 1
Gary Glitter 1
Gary Player 1
Gene Kranz 1
Geoff Hurst 1
Geoffrey Chater 1
Geoffrey Hinsliff 1
Geoffrey Rush 1
George R. R. Martin 1
George Wendt 1
George W. Bush 1
George Zimmerman 1
Gerald Sinstadt 1
Gerard Depardieu 1
Germaine Greer 1
Gilbert O'Sullivan 1
Gina Lollobrigida 1
Giorgio Armani 1
Girogio Moroder 1
Gordon McQueen 1
Gray O'Brien 1
Greg Gilbert 1
Gudrun Ure 1
Guy Lafleur 1
Hannah Gadsby 1
Harald V 1
Harry Belafonte 1
Harvey Stephens 1
Heather Locklear 1
Henry Blofeld 1
Horst Eckel 1
Hugh Cavendish 1
Hulk Hogan 1
Ian Chubb 1
Ian Hunter 1
Ian Huntley 1
Ian Lavender 1
Ian Ure 1
Imran Khan 1
Irene Papas 1
Jack Nicklaus 1
Jack Smethurst 1
Jackie Mason 1
Jackie Stewart 1
Jacques Rozier 1
James Fullington 1
James Watson 1
James Kelman 1
Jana Bennett 1
Jason Becker 1
Jean Chretien 1
Jean Marsh 1
Jean-Paul Belmondo 1
Jeffrey Archer 1
Jiang Zemin 1
Jim Davidson 1
Jim Jefferies 1
Jimmie Macgregor 1
Jimmy Tarbuck 1
J.M. Coetzee 1
Jo Dee Messina 1
Joaquin Phoenix 1
Joan Copeland 1
Joan Didion 1
Joe D'Orazio 1
John Clark 1
John Cleese 1
John Deacon 1
John Greig 1
John Hughes 1
John Leslie 1
John Newcombe 1
John Prescott 1
John Williams 1
Johnny Depp 1
Joss Ackland 1
Julie Andrews 1
June Spencer 1
Just Fontaine 1
Justin Bieber 1
Kane Tanaka 1
Kanye West 1
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1
Katie Price 1
Ken Bates 1
Ken Maginnis 1
Ken Morley 1
Ken Rosewall 1
Kenneth Kaunda 1
Kenny Richey 1
Kenzaburo Oe 1
Kerri Parker 1
Kim Basinger 1
Kim Yong-Ju 1
Krystal Jung 1
Lance Armstrong 1
Larry Storch 1
Lawrence Ferlinghetti 1
Lee "Scratch" Perry 1
Lee Trevino 1
Len Deighton 1
Len Goodman 1
Lenny Johnrose 1
Leo Sayer 1
Lex Gold 1
Lil Uzi Vert 1
Lindsay Lohan 1
Liz Carr 1
Luis Echeverria 1
Madeline Smith 1
Marcia Cross 1
Margaret Atwood 1
Marsha Hunt 1
Martin Bashir 1
Martin Cooper 1
Marty Wilde 1
Marv Levy 1
Mary Marquis 1
Max Boyce 1
Meghan Markle 1
Mel Gibson 1
Menzies Campbell 1
Michael Aspel 1
Michael Gambon 1
Michael Irwin 1
Michael Palin 1
Mike Broadbank 1
Mike Edmonds 1
Mike Miller 1
Monica Vitti 1
Neil Ruddock 1
Nichelle Nichols 1
Nicholas Soames 1
Nick Hitchon 1
Nick Nolte 1
Nicolas Sarkozy 1
Niels Olsen 1
Nigel Lawson 1
Nina Baden-Semper 1
Noam Chomsky 1
Noel Edmonds 1
Norman Greenbaum 1
O.J. Simpson 1
Pat Crerand 1
Pat Liney 1
Pat Robertson 1
Paul McCartney 1
Paul O'Grady 1
Paul Simon 1
Paul Sturrock 1
Paul Westphal 1
Perry King 1
Pete Murray 1
Peter Purves 1
Petula Clark 1
Polly James 1
R. Kelly 1
Raquel Welch
Ratko Mladic 1
Ray Dorset 1
Ray Illingworth 1
Raymond Burns 1
Richard Carpenter 1
Richard Hadlee 1
Richard Wilson 1
Rick Stein 1
Ricky Tomlinson 1
Rita Moreno 1
Robbie Coltrane 1
Robert Fyfe 1
Ron Atkinson 1
Ron Delany 1
Ronnie Wood 1
Roseanne Barr 1
Rose West 1
Roy Roper 1
Ruby Wax 1
Rudy Giuliani 1
Rupiah Banda 1
Ryan Giggs 1
Ryan O'Neal 1
Sabine Schmitz 1
Salman Rushdie 1
Selena Gomez 1
Selma Blair 1
Sepp Blatter 1
Shaun Ryder 1
Shin Jung-hyeon 1
Sigourney Weaver 1
Simon Cowell 1
Smokey Robinson 1
Sophia Loren 1
Sonny Rollins 1
Stella Stevens 1
Steve Gleason 1
Steven Morrissey 1
Stevie Wonder 1
Stiliyan Petrov 1
Sue Nichols 1
Suge Knight 1
Susan George 1
Susan Jameson 1
Suzi Quatro 1
Sydney Devine 1
Sylvester Stallone 1
Tamara Lunger 1
Tatum O'Neal 1
Teodoro Obiang 1
Teri Garr 1
Terry Brunk 1
Terry Venables 1
Thaksin Shinawatra 1
Thea Musgrave 1
Thomas Pynchon 1
Tim Peake 1
Tina Turner 1
Tinto Brass
Tippi Hedren 1
Tom Clarke 1
Tom Farmer 1
Tom Lehrer 1
Tommy Chong 1
Tommy Lasorda 1
Tony Burrows 1
Tony Christie 1
Una McLean 1
Ursula Andress 1
Uwe Seeler 1
Valerie Leon 1
Vince Hill 1
Violeta Chamorro 1
Virginia Halas McCaskey 1
Virginia Roberts Giuffre 1
Virginia Wade 1
Vivian Campbell 1
Warren Buffet 1
Warwick Davis 1
Wattie Buchan 1
Wilf McGuinness 1
William Daniels 1
William Woolard 1
Willie Carson 1
Willie Johnston 1
Willie McLean 1
Willie Wallace 1
Xi Jinping 1
Yvette Mimieux 1
Zoe Davison 1

If you find a mistake - and it's quite likely - then sorry. Please tell me. Every name will be double checked when the scoring is updated, so a mistake here shouldn't won't affect the actual standings. 

Edited by Miguel Sanchez

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27 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said:
  • It is your responsibility to ensure all of your entrants are alive. Don't do what someone did last year and pick Neil Armstrong (d.2012).

I see an absolutely massive problem with the rules. Nobody picked Neil Armstrong last year. It was the year before. The game is literally unplayable!

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4 minutes ago, Aim Here said:

I see an absolutely massive problem with the rules. Nobody picked Neil Armstrong last year. It was the year before. The game is literally unplayable!

As I constantly repeat, it's not about winning. It's about taking part and having a bit of fun at the expense of the recently bereaved. Why can't you just enjoy the game.

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I shall be taking part this year - and here is my captain for free. Death will take you in 2021, Stuart Cosgrove. 

Sleep well, x. 

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21 minutes ago, Aim Here said:

I see an absolutely massive problem with the rules. Nobody picked Neil Armstrong last year. It was the year before. The game is literally unplayable!

Shame you didn't pick him this year, deadly December points would've been had.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Armstrong_(ice_hockey)

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1 hour ago, Miguel Sanchez said:

How far back are you going Miguel? I won it in 2012.

Jack Klugmann of Quincy fame putting me in the lead (for the first time that year) on Christmas Eve.  

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7 minutes ago, qos_75 said:

How far back are you going Miguel? I won it in 2012.

Jack Klugmann of Quincy fame putting me in the lead (for the first time that year) on Christmas Eve.  

And I defo got the 2013 one , captain Masao Yoshida put me home and hosed by the middle of the year.

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When I took over the Dead Pool I PM'd @Fuctifano who had run it before Spain. He didn't have a record of how long it had been going or who had won. Those linked threads are the only ones still on the forum, so I don't know for sure who else there is prior to that.

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The first one was 2005 but the list of previous winners has been lost in the mists of time. 

I won it in 2010 and 2018. (ran it between 2012-14)

@drsI think won it 3 times in the late 00s / early 10s

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5 minutes ago, Fuctifano said:

The first one was 2005 but the list of previous winners has been lost in the mists of time. 

I won it in 2010 and 2018. (ran it between 2012-14)

@drsI think won it 3 times in the late 00s / early 10s

Who ran it before you did?

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Frank Booth started it, not sure if he still posts under another name. Salty TON (likewise) took it over after that then I think there was a year where some daft Clyde supporting wean whose username escapes me ran it. 

 

Edited by Fuctifano

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Frank Booth started it, not sure if he still posts under another name. Salty TON (likewise) took it over after that then I think there was a year where some daft Clyde supporting wean whose username escapes me ran it. 
 
Clyde supporting wean must have been CK I think.

Christ I've been on this forum a long time.

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