JessieField Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 9 minutes ago, Thumper said: the only thing next saturday has going for it is that it'll finally shut up those QOS fans delusional enough to think they're worse than Ayr. Queens have won once at Ayr in the League in the last 5 visits and one draw. Ayr have won thrice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 Trying to be optimistic in the face of such dire form and I think we (Queens) probably already have enough points but our goal difference gives me doubts. A draw at Somerset Park next week and we are fine. I don't want to see us needing anything on the final day of the season against Dundee. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of B A R P Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: Yes, but we're not actually finding points that easy to come by right now. Sure, but Morton need five, Ayr need four, and even Arbroath still need a couple... I said before the game that losing to Dunfermline would put you in it... but your route out is still the most straightforward. Ayr fans will be along in a moment to tell you, with some justification, that if you can't avoid defeat against them, you deserve to go down. [Edited to say (repeat): if you could scud Ayr 4-0, that would be much appreciated.] Edited April 17, 2021 by The Ghost of B A R P 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, JessieField said: Queens have won once at Ayr in the League in the last 5 visits and one draw. Ayr have won thrice. you're four clear and Ayr's last game is in Inverness, where they haven't won in _nineteen years_. You're safe. Go and have a w**k or something. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 Just now, Thumper said: you're four clear and Ayr's last game is in Inverness, where they haven't won in _nineteen years_. You're safe. Go and have a w**k or something. Doesn't feel appropriate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Ghost of B A R P said: Ayr fans will be along in a moment to tell you, with some justification, that if you can't avoid defeat against them, you deserve to go down. That's really no comfort. I'm not arguing that our plight is undeserved. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JessieField Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Thumper said: you're four clear and Ayr's last game is in Inverness, where they haven't won in _nineteen years_. You're safe. Go and have a w**k or something. Send me your picture and I might. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of B A R P Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: That's really no comfort. I'm not arguing that our plight is undeserved. Aye, but nobody watches QoS (or Morton) for 'comfort'... If we can't beat a relegated Alloa at home next week, not one of our supporters will argue we haven't deserved to fall into the play-offs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 28 minutes ago, JessieField said: Queens are heading straight for the relegation playoffs. I say Morton will take at least a point off Hearts (they'll be in holiday mode now), Ayr WILL beat us next week, and Arbroath and Morton will conspire a draw between them. Goal difference (and that Alloa fiasco) will haunt us. Even if Morton take 4 points from the games with Hearts & Alloa then draw with Arbroath, and Arbroath have drawn with Dunfermline the week before, and Ayr beat Queen of the South, then you'd still need Ayr to take something away to ICT along with your defeat at home to Dundee. None of this is impossible in isolation, but it's not remotely probable when you look at all the routes to safety for QoS. If Morton fail to take 4 points from Hearts & Alloa it means they'd need to beat Arbroath to catch Queens, so for both of them to do it Arbroath would need beat Dunfermline. Morton failing to reach 5 points is also entirely realistic. There's the obvious possibility that Ayr don't beat Queens anyway, then the likelihood that they don't take anything in Inverness. Being concerned while it's still mathematically possible is understandable, but acting like you're somehow the favourites is insane. This is full on Dunfermline behaviour. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northfield 53 Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Thumper said: you're four clear and Ayr's last game is in Inverness, where they haven't won in _nineteen years_. You're safe. Go and have a w**k or something. No way are Queens safe Ayr don't need to win in Inverness a draw would be enough after they beat us next week . Arbroath will definitely ge at least 2 points from the last 2 games probable more . Morton will get at least 2 draws and beat Alloa . All this means with Queens poor goal difference we will finish 9th The thing I am sure if is Queens are done for the season will not pick up another point going through the motions Edited April 17, 2021 by Northfield 53 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Starko Rover Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 Aye, but nobody watches QoS (or Morton) for 'comfort'... If we can't beat a relegated Alloa at home next week, not one of our supporters will argue we haven't deserved to fall into the play-offs.Wouldn’t write Alloa off, they should have done us today and played some great football, even with 10 men they were unlucky to not come away with a draw. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of B A R P Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 Just now, San Starko Rover said: Wouldn’t write Alloa off, they should have done us today and played some great football, even with 10 men they were unlucky to not come away with a draw. Not writing them off at all... but failing to beat them will very likely mean the play-offs... and no complaints. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, The Ghost of B A R P said: Aye, but nobody watches QoS (or Morton) for 'comfort'... If we can't beat a relegated Alloa at home next week, not one of our supporters will argue we haven't deserved to fall into the play-offs. Ok. What's your point? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said: Even if Morton take 4 points from the games with Hearts & Alloa then draw with Arbroath, and Arbroath have drawn with Dunfermline the week before, and Ayr beat Queen of the South, then you'd still need Ayr to take something away to ICT along with your defeat at home to Dundee. None of this is impossible in isolation, but it's not remotely probable when you look at all the routes to safety for QoS. If Morton fail to take 4 points from Hearts & Alloa it means they'd need to beat Arbroath to catch Queens, so for both of them to do it Arbroath would need beat Dunfermline. Morton failing to reach 5 points is also entirely realistic. There's the obvious possibility that Ayr don't beat Queens anyway, then the likelihood that they don't take anything in Inverness. Being concerned while it's still mathematically possible is understandable, but acting like you're somehow the favourites is insane. This is full on Dunfermline behaviour. We're definitely not favourites for 9th for the reasons you suggest. However, what was a very long shot has definitely become much shorter. We seem determined to uphold our part of the bargain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of B A R P Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Monkey Tennis said: Ok. What's your point? That how ‘comfortable’ or otherwise you feel about the ongoing ‘relegation dogfight’ has no bearing on what happens? You’re feeling nervous after a bad performance; but you’re still objectively the most likely team to survive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 1 minute ago, The Ghost of B A R P said: That how ‘comfortable’ or otherwise you feel about the ongoing ‘relegation dogfight’ has no bearing on what happens? You’re feeling nervous after a bad performance; but you’re still objectively the most likely team to survive. Yes, I know that. I wasn't referring to 'comfort' as if it mattered. I was pointing out that saying if we lose to Ayr, we'll deserve to go down, is is irrelevant as it is true. Nobody is suggesting that there's anything unfair about our predicament, or those of the other sides involved. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qos_75 Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 18 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said: Even if Morton take 4 points from the games with Hearts & Alloa then draw with Arbroath, and Arbroath have drawn with Dunfermline the week before, and Ayr beat Queen of the South, then you'd still need Ayr to take something away to ICT along with your defeat at home to Dundee. None of this is impossible in isolation, but it's not remotely probable when you look at all the routes to safety for QoS. If Morton fail to take 4 points from Hearts & Alloa it means they'd need to beat Arbroath to catch Queens, so for both of them to do it Arbroath would need beat Dunfermline. Morton failing to reach 5 points is also entirely realistic. There's the obvious possibility that Ayr don't beat Queens anyway, then the likelihood that they don't take anything in Inverness. Being concerned while it's still mathematically possible is understandable, but acting like you're somehow the favourites is insane. This is full on Dunfermline behaviour. When you lay it out it like that, I must admit, I am feeling a lot more cheerful about the situation. What could possibly go wrong for us from here? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of B A R P Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 (edited) Ok... but I don’t think it’s irrelevant to say things like ‘if we lose to x, we deserve to go down’... somebody has to finish 9th and you’d hope it’s the 2nd-worst team, the team that, at this stage, failed to take its chances to save itself.* Spoiler * So Ayr, basically Edited April 17, 2021 by The Ghost of B A R P Smart-arsed Dunfermline fans 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtiekev Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 Queens fans embarrassing themselves, sitting 6th 4 points ahead of Ayr and 5 ahead of Morton of they loose to hearts, Any team below would swap position in a second , get this chat to f**k 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1885 Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 Even if Morton take 4 points from the games with Hearts & Alloa then draw with Arbroath, and Arbroath have drawn with Dunfermline the week before, and Ayr beat Queen of the South, then you'd still need Ayr to take something away to ICT along with your defeat at home to Dundee. None of this is impossible in isolation, but it's not remotely probable when you look at all the routes to safety for QoS. If Morton fail to take 4 points from Hearts & Alloa it means they'd need to beat Arbroath to catch Queens, so for both of them to do it Arbroath would need beat Dunfermline. Morton failing to reach 5 points is also entirely realistic. There's the obvious possibility that Ayr don't beat Queens anyway, then the likelihood that they don't take anything in Inverness. Being concerned while it's still mathematically possible is understandable, but acting like you're somehow the favourites is insane. This is full on Dunfermline behaviour.Nah we mathematically cant go down m8 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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