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9 minutes ago, sfha said:

Two press reports  I've  seen actually make no mention of the tie being abandoned. The SFHA page I made on the competition was taken from an old SFH issue which had listed the results and I'm sure an old AFS Report also previously gave all the results as well so I'll take a look. 

FCHD + RSSSF also say abandoned.

It also fits because away goals weren't used in Texaco/Anglo-Scottish Cup e.g.

1978-79 QF ... Partick 1-0 Mansfield, Mansfield 3-2 Partick ... went to extra-time and penalties
1978-79 SF ... Mansfield 1-2 Burnley, Burnley 0-1 Mansfield ... went to extra-time and penalties

1979-80 QF ... St Mirren 4-2 Bolton, Bolton 2-0 St Mirren ... went to extra-time (St Mirren scored and won 5-4)

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As I thought, the SFH article only gave results. I don't have an index for the AFS Reports so this is a no goer at the moment! 

Does anyone have a copy of the Kilmarnock history to hand?

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50 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said:

FCHD + RSSSF also say abandoned.

The RSSSF page was created in 2007 and according to my notes that is where I sourced the match dates and also the note about the tie being abandoned. But where did THEY get that info from?

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Just in from Gordon

From Killie ken fanzine number 13 from October 1989 . There is a match report printed that mentions "the referee Tom Kellock wanted extra time to be played but Dundee boss Tommy Gemmell waved his men off the field as victors by virtue of away goals rule. He was dead right. " 

From that it appears no extra time was played

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Well something doesn't add-up: as noted there were other ties that season and previous season when someone had more away goals but it still went to extra-time (and indeed penalties).

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Elgin City v Rangers 25/11/2012, Game postponed the day before as home team had sold more tickets than the ground was allowed to hold.

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Didn’t Peterhead get a bye at the expense of Airdrie in the Scottish Cup in 2001 as Airdrie couldn’t put a team out given their financial troubles at the time?

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2 hours ago, Toby said:

Didn’t Peterhead get a bye at the expense of Airdrie in the Scottish Cup in 2001 as Airdrie couldn’t put a team out given their financial troubles at the time?

Correct.

Missed that one.

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Few more randoms:

Rangers v Hamilton Academical (1941-42 Summer Cup R1 2nd leg)... not played as Hamilton lost 1st leg 7-1 at home and tie was beyond all hope

Rangers B v Aberdeen B (1952-53 C Division Cup Final 1st leg)... not played on May 14th and 2nd leg finished 1-1, trophy shared

Rangers B v Partick Thistle B (1953-54 C Division Cup Final)... not played as Rangers left to tour Canada, held-over and competition later abandoned

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On 06/12/2020 at 16:19, HibeeJibee said:

Well something doesn't add-up: as noted there were other ties that season and previous season when someone had more away goals but it still went to extra-time (and indeed penalties).

I looked into this a wee while ago, and came to the conclusion that perhaps there were different rules for the 1st Round where Scottish and English clubs played separately, and the subsequent rounds. This made sense because all the other instances of games going to extra time when it was level on aggregate were from the quarter-final stage onwards. It also wouldn't be suprising to have different rules given that England used a group stage while we had two-legged ties, implying that each country perhaps had some autonomy over that part of the competition.

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The St. Mirren v Bolton tie would have seen Bolton through on away goals had Jimmy Bone not scored as away goals counted only after ET had been played. 

In the 87-88 season Cup holders St. Mirren and Coventry arranged to play an Anglo-Scottish Challenge over 2 legs. There was a 1-1 at Highfield Rd but the return leg was never played.

http://www.stmirrenprogrammes.co.uk/StMirren/STM_Match_Details.php?Season=1987&GameID=198712220

The previous occasion Saints took part in a "British Cup Winners Challenge" was 59-60 when we beat English Cup holders Nottingham Forest 5-4 on agg.

http://www.stmirrenprogrammes.co.uk/StMirren/STM_Match_Details.php?Season=1959&GameID=195909230

http://www.stmirrenprogrammes.co.uk/StMirren/STM_Match_Details.php?Season=1959&GameID=195909300

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Another difference between the SFL and EFL was substitutes. By the late 70s Scottish clubs used 2 subs, English still only 1. The compromise for ASC matches was 2 subs but one was a keeper.

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On 04/12/2020 at 23:22, tamthebam said:

When RAF Kinloss and RAF Lossiemouth played in the North Juniors I think one or both scratched from the Junior Cup on a couple of occasions- something to do with the availability of Air Force personnel.

 

On 05/12/2020 at 13:06, HibeeJibee said:

Not first class games but you're correct. Infact my recollection includes an occasion when an oft-postponed tie ran into Christmas holidays, couldn't raise a team, but was refused a delay.

 

On 05/12/2020 at 22:32, WilliamBragg said:

Correct it was against Kilbirnie and was to be played on Christmas Eve.

RAF boys understandably couldn't get down and were thrown out cup.

To be fair to Kilbirnie from what I remember they were willing to delay the tie to the New Year.

I'm sure there was a bit of a scandal in about 2007 or 2008 as the SJFA kicked then out of the Junior Cup and banned them for the next season as they asked for a fixture delay since most of their squad had been deployed to Afghanistan.

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