roman_bairn Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 You were doing well till the club at heart pish at the end. Of course they have it’s their job. Make a success of it and a bigger job comes along they will be gone like all the rest of them before them. And if that happens I’ll wish them well.It’ll just reaffirm what a good job they have done at the club..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSG GTF! Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 42 minutes ago, roman_bairn said: Oh I’m certainly not against a negative viewpoint when things are fundamentally wrong. I reserved my doubts and judgement on both of these charlatans until it became obvious that they were clueless. That’s not the case here, the club is trying to turn the corner and we have young guys in charge that are learning against what I think is the correct longer term strategy. The risk of that, of course, is that it could be a bit of a bumpy ride at times but the longer term reward could be more exciting as they rapidly learn. When we are doing ok, and challenging at the top of the table with a long time to go, calling for the head of a young management team that have the club at heart is wrong imo..... Perhaps over a decade of gross mismanagement and incompetence has turned me into a pessimistic pr!ck, but I’m still far from convinced the Club has turned the corner yet. Still a lot of people involved that I don’t trust. Hopefully if Rawlins ever comes in, he sees through the agendas and can get the Club moving in the right direction. Agree with BPM regarding the patronising Club at heart nonsense. Miller couldn’t get out quick enough first time around and only returned when he was almost done as a player. He was one of a few who downed tools on Houstie and Hartley but sparked into life the day he joined Livingston. I won’t forgive or forget that. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roman_bairn Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Perhaps over a decade of gross mismanagement and incompetence has turned me into a pessimistic pr!ck, but I’m still far from convinced the Club has turned the corner yet. Still a lot of people involved that I don’t trust. Hopefully if Rawlins ever comes in, he sees through the agendas and can get the Club moving in the right direction. Agree with BPM regarding the patronising Club at heart nonsense. Miller couldn’t get out quick enough first time around and only returned when he was almost done as a player. He was one of a few who downed tools on Houstie and Hartley but sparked into life the day he joined Livingston. I won’t forgive or forget that. You truly are a miserable bugger! [emoji16]We are starting to turn the upward corner of a deep trough imo, so of course things are not all rosy. However we can’t really ask much more that to be 4 clear of the field at this point so why the constant negativity?As for the stuff around Houstie’s relationship with the players? I’ve absolutely no idea what happened behind the scenes there nor do I have anything that I can use to point a finger at Miller in particular for not trying. I just think that the team had reached its end after the phenomenal effort the seasons before and could not find the same level of motivation to rise to the same level again.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSG GTF! Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, roman_bairn said: You truly are a miserable bugger! We are starting to turn the upward corner of a deep trough imo, so of course things are not all rosy. However we can’t really ask much more that to be 4 clear of the field at this point so why the constant negativity? As for the stuff around Houstie’s relationship with the players? I’ve absolutely no idea what happened behind the scenes there nor do I have anything that I can use to point a finger at Miller in particular for not trying. I just think that the team had reached its end after the phenomenal effort the seasons before and could not find the same level of motivation to rise to the same level again... As I’ve already said, I won’t apologise for wanting the Club to be the best it can be. Those running the Club have made me beyond fkn miserable, so that’s on them. Let’s just wait and see if things pan out as we hope/expect behind the scenes and then the negativity can turn to positivity. We’ve been let down far too often to get over confident. As for on the park, I agree things couldn’t have panned out much better so far. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbrbairn Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Even though Miller left to further his career if he did not have a game on a Saturday he was a regular spectator in the main stand. Must have a bit of love for the club 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThroughtheTurnstiles Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 9 hours ago, ShaggerG said: I think it's very unfair if we're made to play Montrose as well as Peterhead TBH. 8 other teams in the league have the very same disadvantage, so not totally sure what you mean there... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDust Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Back Post Misses said: You were doing well till the club at heart pish at the end. Of course they have it’s their job. Make a success of it and a bigger job comes along they will be gone like all the rest of them before them. It won't happen this season for sure, this league tells you very little about players or managers true ability. League 3 is a graveyard 2 hours ago, MSG GTF! said: . Agree with BPM regarding the patronising Club at heart nonsense. Miller couldn’t get out quick enough first time around and only returned when he was almost done as a player. He was one of a few who downed tools on Houstie and Hartley but sparked into life the day he joined Livingston. I won’t forgive or forget that. Miller never downed tools under Houston or Hartley. I take it you were not at his last game for Falkirk at Livvy pre going to Livvy, he was our MOM that night and probably got him a move to Livvy that night. He downed tools to get away first time, probably multiplied his wages by 4 or 5+ and being 19/20, he won't be the first or last player to have his head turned by money from via an agent. Miller also came to Falkirk as manager with no safety net, tore up his Livvy contract for a job that could've lasted days/weeks and no guarantee to last months. We have done f**k all so far but last season we were almost out the top 4 under McKinnon at the start of the season, it's foundations to build on is all it is now. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaggerG Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 1 hour ago, ThroughtheTurnstiles said: 8 other teams in the league have the very same disadvantage, so not totally sure what you mean there... Touche. (Canny dae the wee thing above the 'e'.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Kelevra Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 I want the current managers gone because I think they are thick. I was told by a famous and successful football manager, selecting a manager is easy. If you can see them managing in a business other than football, they should be employed. Can you see a Herbal life pyramid merchant and a guy with sleeve tattoos in a 50k a year jobs outside football? I can’t you could see Jim Jefferies, Peter Houston or Alex Totten managing a haulage firm or something like that - these two not a chance . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDust Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 18 minutes ago, Andreas Kelevra said: I want the current managers gone because I think they are thick. I was told by a famous and successful football manager, selecting a manager is easy. If you can see them managing in a business other than football, they should be employed. Can you see a Herbal life pyramid merchant and a guy with sleeve tattoos in a 50k a year jobs outside football? I can’t you could see Jim Jefferies, Peter Houston or Alex Totten managing a haulage firm or something like that - these two not a chance . Who was the famous successful manager ? I'd struggle to find many meeting that criteria from the 42 managed clubs in Scotland tbh and a haulage firm is a bit random. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Perrin Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 48 minutes ago, Andreas Kelevra said: I want the current managers gone because I think they are thick. I was told by a famous and successful football manager, selecting a manager is easy. If you can see them managing in a business other than football, they should be employed. Can you see a Herbal life pyramid merchant and a guy with sleeve tattoos in a 50k a year jobs outside football? I can’t you could see Jim Jefferies, Peter Houston or Alex Totten managing a haulage firm or something like that - these two not a chance . Had a wee drink? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Kelevra Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, MrDust said: Who was the famous successful manager ? I'd struggle to find many meeting that criteria from the 42 managed clubs in Scotland tbh and a haulage firm is a bit random. It is a bit random, but I was thinking of a managerial position where you wouldn’t need professional qualifications or a degree. You couldn’t see Jack Ross in a decent job outside of football? Edited December 6, 2020 by Andreas Kelevra -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSG GTF! Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 6 hours ago, MrDust said: Miller never downed tools under Houston or Hartley. I take it you were not at his last game for Falkirk at Livvy pre going to Livvy, he was our MOM that night and probably got him a move to Livvy that night. You’ve got your opinion and I’ve got mine. I know what I was watching and he downed tools. The heartless defeats at East End Park (where he got himself sent off 15mins after coming onto the park) and Tannadice stick in my mind. Plenty of other appearances where his lack of effort for a Club so “close to his heart” was blatant. He was given a chance by Falkirk to start a career in management that no other club would’ve offered him. He was never going to turn that opportunity down in favour of a season warming the Livingston bench. If he and McCracken knuckle down and achieve what is expected of them this season then that’s all that matters, but count me out of all the hero worshiping p!sh that massages his ego over on social media. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roman_bairn Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 I want the current managers gone because I think they are thick. I was told by a famous and successful football manager, selecting a manager is easy. If you can see them managing in a business other than football, they should be employed. Can you see a Herbal life pyramid merchant and a guy with sleeve tattoos in a 50k a year jobs outside football? I can’t you could see Jim Jefferies, Peter Houston or Alex Totten managing a haulage firm or something like that - these two not a chance .Sometimes this forum reaches new levels of bizarreness.... 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 7 hours ago, Andreas Kelevra said: I want the current managers gone because I think they are thick. I was told by a famous and successful football manager, selecting a manager is easy. If you can see them managing in a business other than football, they should be employed. Can you see a Herbal life pyramid merchant and a guy with sleeve tattoos in a 50k a year jobs outside football? I can’t you could see Jim Jefferies, Peter Houston or Alex Totten managing a haulage firm or something like that - these two not a chance . Some folk aren't qualified to post on a football forum. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believe The Hype Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 8 hours ago, Andreas Kelevra said: I want the current managers gone because I think they are thick. I was told by a famous and successful football manager, selecting a manager is easy. If you can see them managing in a business other than football, they should be employed. Can you see a Herbal life pyramid merchant and a guy with sleeve tattoos in a 50k a year jobs outside football? I can’t you could see Jim Jefferies, Peter Houston or Alex Totten managing a haulage firm or something like that - these two not a chance . 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 4 hours ago, Andreas Kelevra said: It is a bit random, but I was thinking of a managerial position where you wouldn’t need professional qualifications or a degree. You couldn’t see Jack Ross in a decent job outside of football? Football managers do need professional qualifications to get anywhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Duck Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 I worry about some people on this forum being allowed to vote. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedelko Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Could imagine Ray McKinnon on 50k a year in an accounting gig no problem... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falkirkthebigclub Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Your uncle on Facebook, with his haulage firm theory, needs to consider that time a guy with a forklift company ran the club... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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