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17 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said:

You are so one sided its unreal. Rome or in this case holyrood is burning round about u and u would still say black was white.

Eosfl season is on. England are going to have fans back in the stadiums and your blind loyalty to the scottish council is making you blind to reality.

They have taken you on hook line and sinker so scared and believing everything this woman is telling you 

Right, at work, one of your managers travels from Glasgow and another from Stirling.  In your football environment, there are no travel restrictions at all because of this 'pro' exemption. 

I'm not sure exactly what liberty this supposed 'dictator' is depriving you of that you feel so hard done by. 

Your argument is contradicted of course by your own preference towards a unified approach with England.. yet they're currently in full lockdown until December 2nd and non-league football is on hold.  But presumably Boris isn't a mad dictator, though, in your eyes?

Just... baffling...  

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12 minutes ago, Che Dail said:

Right, at work, one of your managers travels from Glasgow and another from Stirling.  In your football environment, there are no travel restrictions at all because of this 'pro' exemption. 

I'm not sure exactly what liberty this supposed 'dictator' is depriving you of that you feel so hard done by. 

Your argument is contradicted of course by your own preference towards a unified approach with England.. yet they're currently in full lockdown until December 2nd and non-league football is on hold.  But presumably Boris isn't a mad dictator, though, in your eyes?

Just... baffling...  

A pie and a bovril 😉

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10 hours ago, AlanCamelonfan said:

Best performing politician moarly has been sunak at least hes tried to do the right things. Boris is an idiot and nicola is all about her

Just trying to find the right accent for that voice. Hmmm...

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6 hours ago, Che Dail said:

Right, at work, one of your managers travels from Glasgow and another from Stirling.  In your football environment, there are no travel restrictions at all because of this 'pro' exemption. 

I'm not sure exactly what liberty this supposed 'dictator' is depriving you of that you feel so hard done by. 

Your argument is contradicted of course by your own preference towards a unified approach with England.. yet they're currently in full lockdown until December 2nd and non-league football is on hold.  But presumably Boris isn't a mad dictator, though, in your eyes?

Just... baffling...  

But they also had football at our level  back earlier so we wouldnt be as pushed for time.

Dont really understand your first point but nevermind.

Anyway think it's gone on long enough. Eosfl are playing on and it upsets you. Get over it the majority wanted to play and that's that.

 

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9 hours ago, AlanCamelonfan said:

I really dont get why the sheep are so defensive of sturgeon. You dont and never have seen it with any other party. She is a lunatic who likes to dictate to you what you are doing. 

 

Oh a politics thread 😂 

I’m not an snp voter but NS is the only leader that has kept part of her country out of full lockdown this autumn/winter. Top marks if you ask me.

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58 minutes ago, grinderbrokeyourhearts said:

Oh a politics thread 😂 

I’m not an snp voter but NS is the only leader that has kept part of her country out of full lockdown this autumn/winter. Top marks if you ask me.

Tier 4 is lockdown only difference is a few other things are open like building works

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17 hours ago, AlanCamelonfan said:

They will though. Because their is no eu they can do what they want and run roughshod over everyone. 

Having another body prevents boris and cummings etc doing what they like

Rightly or wrongly though they were elected by the people of the UK so they can be removed at the next election if that's what people decide. Same in Scotlan, Wales, NI. However, you cannot change the EU unless you are Germany!

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3 minutes ago, Dev said:

Rightly or wrongly though they were elected by the people of the UK so they can be removed at the next election if that's what people decide. Same in Scotlan, Wales, NI. However, you cannot change the EU unless you are Germany!

That's lies mate you elected your meps. Do you not remember the election for it.  EU president was done on a rotational basis. Can u imagine that here one year it being boris the next nicola the next drakeford heading up the country.  The rest of the jobs is no different to boris electing his cabinet. Nobody voted sunak to be chancellor or pretty pate to be home secretary 

 

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On 21/11/2020 at 14:33, LongTimeLurker said:

It's no accident that the level 4 stuff only runs to Dec 11:

Nicola S knows what the headlines are going to be when restrictions start to get lifted again just in time for the Christmas retail season.

In a similar sort of way Boris has things arranged now so that his lockdown stops on Dec 2 the day after vaccinations will start in England with the Pfizer vaccine:

with fitba crowds of up to 4000 allowed shortly thereafter in some parts of England. The momentum towards having crowds back in an EoS context will gather pace from there.

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17 hours ago, John S said:

That was a political broadcast on behalf of......... Now back to the football.

Good idea. Interesting article on the BBC web site today:

https://www.BBC.co.uk/sport/scotland/55041457

How sport without fans is affecting Scotland

“Millions of pounds of lost revenue. Jobs at risk. Social isolation. These are just some of the problems thrown up by a lack of fans at sports stadia in the midst of the Covid-19 pandemic.

Up to 4,000 supporters in low-risk areas of England will be allowed to go and watch their team from 2 December, but in Scotland that number remains at 300 with no current plans to escalate it further. "

“Scottish football is estimated to have collectively lost £70m since the pandemic began, with the expectation that it will rise to £100m by the end of the campaign.

 

I have deliberately selected and re-arranged extracts - see below: so best read the whole BBC article:

[1] Jason Leitch:  professional sport was given special dispensation to return in the summer

[2] JL:  football clubs in particular can still make money. Season tickets have still been flogged, in some cases at record speed and in vast numbers.

[3]  Stephen Morrow (lecturer in sport finance at Stirling University)  :  "The core product is the live match, and it's a perishable product so it's got value at the time the activity's happening and it diminishes as soon as the match is over. So you try to leverage your income on the back of that live match.

[4] SM:  "There are some nice imaginative ideas going on around using web broadcasts and internet activity to get some money in particularly in some of the lower clubs. But it's not going to replace the main income streams.

[5] SM:  "It's obviously replicated in other industries, but it's a very visible part of our cultural life as well as economically and I think that's where the challenges comes from."

[6] SFA(?):  “Scottish football is estimated to have collectively lost £70m since the pandemic began, with the expectation that it will rise to £100m by the end of the campaign.

[7] BBC:  “Much of the focus is on how much clubs and governing bodies stand to lose, but there are further ramifications for communities.

[8] BBC:  “It is easy to consider fans going to a game every week as a luxury. But for others, it is at the centre of their daily life."

[9] BBC:  “Football and, more subtly, rugby, will continue to bang the drum for the return of fans as swiftly as possible. It is a consistent and forceful case being put forward time and again. But while Covid-19 stubbornly lingers and the Scottish government tries its best to combat it, the question is whether anybody is still listening.

 

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If going to games is the centre of community life then the self-styled 'community clubs' who actually run the leagues should naturally have suspended the competitions until fans could return. From at least the Championship all the way down. They didn't though and so all their after the fact guilt-tripping about the community is nonsense. 

 

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33 minutes ago, virginton said:

If going to games is the centre of community life then the self-styled 'community clubs' who actually run the leagues should naturally have suspended the competitions until fans could return. From at least the Championship all the way down. They didn't though and so all their after the fact guilt-tripping about the community is nonsense. 

 

You talk an awful lot of shite. Theres lots of reasons to be playing. You are just picking one thing to try and find an excuse to have a pop. The league is running clearly players want to play I really dlny know why you continue this when the leagues getting run. A vaccine is on it's way. Fans getting allowed back in England. 

Neither you or chedail whatever his name is from the east support or have any involvement in any club in the east. The virus is worse in the west than it is in the east by a mile.

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7 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said:

You talk an awful lot of shite. Theres lots of reasons to be playing. You are just picking one thing to try and find an excuse to have a pop. The league is running clearly players want to play I really dlny know why you continue this when the leagues getting run. A vaccine is on it's way. Fans getting allowed back in England. 

What reasons are these in the absence of the community engagement that clubs up and down the country bang on about when it's government grant time and the principal source of revenue is also massively reduced? Oh and the weather's fucking abysmal as well. 

But so long as a squad of footballers want to traipse around with a special exemption from the restrictions that everyone else is affected by then Scottish football must absolutely carry on going. And then have the brass neck to complain to the government about their business models no longer working.

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Neither you or chedail whatever his name is from the east support or have any involvement in any club in the east. The virus is worse in the west than it is in the east by a mile.

That'll be why West Lothian is in tier 4 lockdown while Inverclyde is sailing towards tier 2 then.

It's a public forum for the whole of Scottish football champ so if you don't like your nonsense arguments being shredded by outsiders then jog on.

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7 minutes ago, virginton said:

What reasons are these in the absence of the community engagement that clubs up and down the country bang on about when it's government grant time and the principal source of revenue is also massively reduced? Oh and the weather's fucking abysmal as well. 

But so long as a squad of footballers want to traipse around with a special exemption from the restrictions that everyone else is affected by then Scottish football must absolutely carry on going. And then have the brass neck to complain to the government about their business models no longer working.

That'll be why West Lothian is in tier 4 lockdown while Inverclyde is sailing towards tier 2 then.

It's a public forum for the whole of Scottish football champ so if you don't like your nonsense arguments being shredded by outsiders then jog on.

This is an east of scotland league forum. 

Inverclyde is still in tier 4. Falkirk would be in tier 2 if it wasnt for stirling and forth valley hospital propping up Lanarkshire.

Mental health reasons for players committee and even fans. We have live streamed our home games. 

There is no reason in locations where the virus isnt as prevalent why they cant do most normal things

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5 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said:

This is an east of scotland league forum. 

You don't need to support an East of Scotland club to point out that you're talking pish though.

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Inverclyde is still in tier 4. Falkirk would be in tier 2 if it wasnt for stirling and forth valley hospital propping up Lanarkshire.

Inverclyde is not and never has been in tier 4. Its rates of infection are generally lower than Falkirk's: though you keep telling yourself that it's the hospital to blame when rates in Stirling and Clackmannanshire are also skyrocketing. 

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Mental health reasons for players committee and even fans. We have live streamed our home games. 

There's zero evidence that live streaming a game has any impact on the mental health of fans. How many were consulted on this decision to start the leagues in the first place?

The decisions taken in Scottish football from top to bottom demonstrate the true value of fans: they're the begging bowl that clubs turn to and not much more.

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There is no reason in locations where the virus isnt as prevalent why they cant do most normal things

An argument that quite clearly doesn't apply to the east of Scotland though.

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