Mkennedy Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 I’m not sure, but I travel through more every day to work. You can’t have a pyramid structure that is aligned to the professional game and not classify the clubs within as professional. The players are paid a salary, they sign professional contracts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobby Dossar Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mkennedy said: I’m not sure, but I travel through more every day to work. You can’t have a pyramid structure that is aligned to the professional game and not classify the clubs within as professional. The players are paid a salary, they sign professional contracts. So if their on an amateur contract should they be playing ???? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 3 hours ago, jimbaxters said: You need to make your mind up about it. Either WoSFL shouldn't be playing or amateurs are being punished. They are not commutative. Unnecessary travel generally is causing the spike. Football teams travelling is part of that. The difference with the televised and international matches is that they are providing entertainment. WoSFL matches being played with subs and committee men watching and with no promotion or relegation is the very definition of unnecessary. IMO the league are to be applauded for providing the opportunity to those who want to play but given these restrictions they really should take the common sense approach and at the very least have a hiatus in fixtures during this Level 4 restriction. That would be the sensible thing to do and we could easily choose to do it ourselves and not be told to by the Scottish govt. It's only for 3 weeks at the end of the day (unless idiots continue to be idiots) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mkennedy Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Lobby Dossar said: So if their on an amateur contract should they be playing ???? You can sign an amateur contract at any level in the pyramid 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Lobby Dossar said: Just out a matter of interest how many tier 4 areas do your players and coaching staff have to pass through to get to Darvel for a game ??? Guessing they're passing through in a car. In which case it doesn't really matter since it'll end up only being two areas that matter. The one they get in the car and the second where they get out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobby Dossar Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mkennedy said: You can sign an amateur contract at any level in the pyramid I know you can but amateur leagues are not allowed to play What’s the difference of an amateur player in the WoSFL and one who wants to play for his own amateur team 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobby Dossar Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: Guessing they're passing through in a car. In which case it doesn't really matter since it'll end up only being two areas that matter. The one they get in the car and the second where they get out. I only want to go and see my brother who stays 5 miles away … BUT that’s now illegal from Friday 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mkennedy Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Lobby Dossar said: I know you can but amateur leagues are not allowed to play What’s the difference of an amateur player in the WoSFL and one who wants to play for his own amateur team Amateur clubs aren’t part of the pyramid 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobby Dossar Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mkennedy said: Amateur clubs aren’t part of the pyramid Conferences A, B and C are not part of the pyramid this season as there is no promotion and are basically playing for fun and I’ll guarantee you close on 50% of the players in these teams will be amateurs. How does that fit in with the professional argument ??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, Dev said: There again you may be aware of loads of cases brought about by the outdoor sporting and leisure activities ....... Well, examples? Interesting to see that in England the lower levels of football i.e. semi-pro and amateur have been allowed to play. There must have been many thousands of matches so far, some with attendances in the 100's so where are the examples? In the circumstances how is this not targeting by SG? Having said that SG is better than the Wales Government which has blocked all league football except for the "Anglos" and the top division, the Cymru Premier. I have read that the blocked clubs are up in arms about it (see Welsh Football Magazine). I guess the SG and WG see lower levels of football (below SPFL and CP) as easy targets. Meanwhile covid soared away in both places, hardly different to parts of England. Figure it out for yourself. Targetting is the wrong word. The fact that they were allowed to play again points to that. Again, there are plenty of other businesses and organisations who have not been allowed to open their doors at all. And no, I don't have loads of examples. There have been games postponed though but who knows where the players caught the virus. Do you have evidence on the virus being caught in schools? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mkennedy Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Lobby Dossar said: Conferences A, B and C are not part of the pyramid this season as there is no promotion and are basically playing for fun and I’ll guarantee you close on 50% of the players in these teams will be amateurs. How does that fit in with the professional argument ??? Well they are part of the pyramid. same as kelty we’re last year and they didn’t get an opportunity to get promoted. I bet you it’s now where near 50%, amateur contract give the club no protection from losing players. I bet the number of amateur contests are very low 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Lobby Dossar said: Conferences A, B and C are not part of the pyramid this season as there is no promotion and are basically playing for fun and I’ll guarantee you close on 50% of the players in these teams will be amateurs. How does that fit in with the professional argument ??? The professional sport exemption was for the WoSFL. Conference clubs are members of the WoSFL. Pyramid status doesn't factor into it. Professional status was also given to the Junior leagues and NCL who aren't in the pyramid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobby Dossar Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 minute ago, FairWeatherFan said: The professional sport exemption was for the WoSFL. Conference clubs are members of the WoSFL. Pyramid status doesn't factor into it. Professional status was also given to the Junior leagues and NCL who aren't in the pyramid. It was your man from Darvel that brought up the pyramid!! My point was how can amateur players be allowed to play in the WoSFL but not in amateur leagues. Oh I forgot they are somehow classed as professional in that league In your dreams 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobby Dossar Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Mkennedy said: Well they are part of the pyramid. same as kelty we’re last year and they didn’t get an opportunity to get promoted. I bet you it’s now where near 50%, amateur contract give the club no protection from losing players. I bet the number of amateur contests are very low Think you want to find out how the vast majority of clubs are run, cause by your comment you haven’t a clue 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mkennedy Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Lobby Dossar said: Think you want to find out how the vast majority of clubs are run, cause by your comment you haven’t a clue I know how they are run, and as I said there won’t be anywhere near that number of players on amateur contracts. If there are 47 clubs in the conferences, with an average squad of 18 players = 846 players. You trying to tell me there are around 423 players on amateur contracts don’t talk nonsense 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) It was pretty obvious in the days of retention who did and did not sign players on Professional registrations, and even then, some of those were Non Contract Professionals. A significant range of SJFA clubs didn't have Professional players in any great number. Virtually everyone up north and most of the lower divisions in East and West. SJFAEXLIST12-13.pdf Edited November 17, 2020 by cmontheloknow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanner Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 4 hours ago, Darvel legend said: ive said it before and i can see why some teams want to play but there is no way our level of football should be continuing when u cant travel from area to area can't believe I'm agreeing with this guy about something. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juniorfootball123 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 ....... And here come the voices of the people that didn’t want the season to go ahead and now rather than disappear and take their negativity to some other forum or some where else they are determine to moan about it going ahead! I genuinely believe some people would get satisfaction with the season getting cancelled even though they are not involved either way! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juniorfootball123 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 4 hours ago, Jurgenflopp said: In pre season we saw amateur teams beating some teams at this level. amateur teams are being unfairly punished in this. I don’t see how teams in level 4 can travel to others areas and vice versa and this is classed as being ok. Players at this level do not get tested the season should have been scrapped long long ago and it has been poorly managed imo. “We saw amateur teams beating some teams at this level” Deary me..... what an opening statement to your argument that was.... Suggestion: Let’s have a big round robin league throughout Scotland from Celtic/Rangers down to the pub leagues and the more games you win the more games you get to play, basically winner stays on?! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 4 hours ago, Lobby Dossar said: And what a joke that was !!! The guy who managed to convince the government that the WoSFL be classed as professional should have been on Boris Johnson’s Brexit negotiating team and we would have had a deal months ago. It was a decision made to allow flexibility and let clubs decide. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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