Gaz Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Minertaur said: Anybody with an accurate picture of how Arizona is likely to finish? With an a 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbitterandgrumpy Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I think he's spent his whole life behaving as if the true is whatever you tell people it is, or hiring enough lawyers to make so, so he can no longer grasp the concept. Probably also building up the subscribers for his new QAnon church and media empire. Aye, the delusion was firmly established before he went down the Presidential path. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) It's simply that this is how Trump behaves. He has spent his life not paying bills and suing people. He has not only no interest in the truth - he has very little grasp of it as a concept. I think his narcissism is clinical. He has a very unusual psychological make up. He is genuinely incapable of accepting any notion of defeat. This reaction is the only one he can possibly muster. Edited November 7, 2020 by Monkey Tennis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I think he's spent his whole life behaving as if the true is whatever you tell people it is, or hiring enough lawyers to make so, so he can no longer grasp the concept. Probably also building up the subscribers for his new QAnon church and media empire. I agree with this. The term narcissist is often thrown around now but I genuinely believe he is one. I suspect he simply can’t conceive how this hasn’t gone his way since he’s thrown all the usual tools such as money, connections and bullying and threats, behind it. This is probably the first thing in a long time that he’s really wanted and simply can’t have no matter what he tries. Glorious stuff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, The Minertaur said: Anybody with an accurate picture of how Arizona is likely to finish? As I don't have a bet on it, hoping it's Trump for lolz, as only Fox confirmed it as a Biden victory,helping destroy Trump's strategy for a credible claim of early victory. Looks very close. Edited November 7, 2020 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jambomo said: I agree with this. The term narcissist is often thrown around now but I genuinely believe he is one. I suspect he simply can’t conceive how this hasn’t gone his way since he’s thrown all the usual tools such as money, connections and bullying and threats, behind it. This is probably the first thing in a long time that he’s really wanted and simply can’t have no matter what he tries. Glorious stuff I'm generally not a fan of pathologising arseholes, but in this case it really does seem to fit: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662 Symptoms Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can: Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it Exaggerate achievements and talents Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations Take advantage of others to get what they want Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others Be envious of others and believe others envy them Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can: Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Anybody with an accurate picture of how Arizona is likely to finish? Alien attack. I've seen the films and they always appear around Arizona (or New Mexico) first. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbitterandgrumpy Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Sorry if he 1 minute ago, Monkey Tennis said: It's simply that this is how Trump behaves. He has spent his life not paying bills and sueing people. He has not only no interest in the truth - he has very little grasp of it as a concept. I think his narcissism is clinical. He has a very unusual psychological make up. He is genuinely incapable of accepting any notion of defeat. This reaction is the only one he can possibly muster. Sorry if he's been mentioned before on this thread, but does anyone remember Robert Maxwell? An utter fraud/bully/litigious b*****d who would sue people at the drop of a hat. He was arguably the British Trump (without the rise to power obviously). Just struck me tonight that Trump reminds me of him. As for Trump, how can a man with no empathy, morals or dignity rise to the top in American politics? (oops, think I've answered my own question) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 I think I might be addicted to CNN. Never watched it before Wed morning but it’s been on all day, every day since then Even now Bidens won. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Russian Trump bot malfunction? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, Hedgecutter said: Alien attack. I've seen the films and they always appear around Arizona (or New Mexico) first. Sometimes it is not even an attack. Just spores that drift in from outer space, take over people's bodies and make them act strange. Might explain why there are so many people who voted for Trump. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, oldbitterandgrumpy said: Sorry if he Sorry if he's been mentioned before on this thread, but does anyone remember Robert Maxwell? An utter fraud/bully/litigious b*****d who would sue people at the drop of a hat. He was arguably the British Trump (without the rise to power obviously). Just struck me tonight that Trump reminds me of him. As for Trump, how can a man with no empathy, morals or dignity rise to the top in American politics? (oops, think I've answered my own question) Maxwell was similar to be sure. Trump was the man who looked like he could blow up the system that had been shafting ordinary workers for decades, especially since 2008, a total disrupter, nothing like the politicians they were used to. Unfortunately they chose a snake oil salesman who shafted them even more, and the Democrat machine conspired to stop them getting a better choice. Edited November 7, 2020 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Arch Stanton Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) said: Russian Trump bot malfunction? Out of all the examples that one is clearly the most madeup shite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) said: Russian Trump bot malfunction? I think they're Dems taking the pish. There are other ones saying America is finished and they're moving to Alaska. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 17 minutes ago, GordonS said: I'm generally not a fan of pathologising arseholes, but in this case it really does seem to fit: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662 Symptoms Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can: Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it Exaggerate achievements and talents Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations Take advantage of others to get what they want Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others Be envious of others and believe others envy them Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can: Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation You nearly made me feel sorry for the c**t there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Maxwell was similar to be sure. Trump was the man who looked like he could blow up the system that had been shafting ordinary workers for decades, especially since 2008, a total disrupter, nothing like the politicians they were used to. Unfortunately they chose a snake oil salesman who shafted them even more, and the Democrat machine conspired to stop them getting a better choice. Got to say, given all the numbers and the demographics, as much as I would have wanted him to win I think Saunders would have lost that election. He's a north-eastern uber-liberal Jew would could easily be painted in the US as a socialist. Biden won because he brought back enough white men in the Upper Midwest and the margins in too many states were painfully small. I don't think Saunders would have got over the line in Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona and probably not Pennsylvania. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 1 minute ago, GordonS said: Got to say, given all the numbers and the demographics, as much as I would have wanted him to win I think Saunders would have lost that election. He's a north-eastern uber-liberal Jew would could easily be painted in the US as a socialist. Biden won because he brought back enough white men in the Upper Midwest and the margins in too many states were painfully small. I don't think Saunders would have got over the line in Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona and probably not Pennsylvania. I think you're probably right about 2020, I was thinking about 2016 but I wasn't clear. Hilary Clinton was a disastrous pick for that time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbitterandgrumpy Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Maxwell was similar to be sure. Trump was the man who looked like he could blow up the system that had been shafting ordinary workers for decades, especially since 2008, a total disrupter, nothing like the politicians they were used to. Unfortunately they chose a snake oil salesman who shafted them even more, and the Democrats conspired to stop them getting a better choice. Snake Oil. Who doesn't like Snake Oil? Especially when it's presented in such a desirable and tempting form. Fucking lovely Snake Oil is. It's the fucking business. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation Can't remember exactly who it was, but I can certainly remember a documentary with a former advisor/pa/whatever who said that he was clearly an insecure individual, in constant need of attention. You can be sure he doesn't live the happy luxurious life that he's desperate for everyone to envy.Being laughed by the majority of little people for any period of time beyond this may genuinely break him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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