Elric Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 2 hours ago, NotThePars said: John McCain is in no universe a relatively decent person. A horrible little hawk and it’s good that he’s dead. The man that bombed civilian targets in Viet Nam. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyAnchor Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Lots being written about how Trump is gaining with male Hispanics which just adds to the whole absurdity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, BillyAnchor said: Lots being written about how Trump is gaining with male Hispanics which just adds to the whole absurdity. They're making out that it depends where their families originated, so Cubans and Venezuelans don't like any talk of socialism for example, whereas Mexicans not so much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Trump polling well with the “my family were brutally treated under Castro’s tyranny when he confiscated our six plantations” Twitter crowd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 14 hours ago, Thereisalight.. said: I don’t think there’s any chance Trump will be elected again... The electoral college system means he is still in with a chance. He lost the popular vote last time around, so being behind in the national opinion poll numbers isn't necessarily fatal for him. The Democrats pile up large majorities in large population states like California, Illinois, New York etc, but that doesn't help them get anything extra in the electoral college if the Republicans win narrowly in lots of other places. The so called battleground states are uncomfortably close and that provides a path to a Trump victory even if he is a few points back overall. There appears to be talk of a much higher youth turnout on advanced polls this time though that helps Biden, which looks like good news: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghPar1975 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Its certainly the Democratic campaign strategy that they needed to swing a few focused states as they knew that the vote turnout in the already blue states was going to be high and like in 2016 they don't want to win the popular vote and still lose out. They're certain to win the popular vote - I don't think it will happen this time but Trump could well get in again through the Electoral College but lose by a significantly higher number of popular votes than the last time 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 2 hours ago, BillyAnchor said: Lots being written about how Trump is gaining with male Hispanics which just adds to the whole absurdity. Nothing more absurd than the fact that the US will soon have a President wearing nappies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, welshbairn said: They're making out that it depends where their families originated, so Cubans and Venezuelans don't like any talk of socialism for example, whereas Mexicans not so much. Aside from the ‘wtf’ value it doesn’t matter that much tho. Miami-Dade - by far the most Cuban county in the nation - went blue 2:1 last time out, even taking account of antipathy toward anyone with the surname ‘Clinton’ post-Elian Gonzalez. Much more in FL relies on the I-4 corridor between Orlando and Tampa. Lots of folks have moved there from Puerto Rico since the storm and have full voting rights that they didn’t have in PR. Edited October 27, 2020 by carpetmonster 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, carpetmonster said: Aside from the ‘wtf’ value it doesn’t matter that much tho. Miami-Dade - by far the most Cuban county in the nation - went blue 2:1 last time out, even taking account of antipathy toward anyone with the surname ‘Clinton’ post-Elian Gonzalez. Yeah, they're talking about a slightly lower majority for the Dems rather than a flip, and only in certain communities. Can't believe that Elian is now 26, thought that farce was just a few years ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Trump polling well with the “my family were brutally treated under Castro’s tyranny when he confiscated our six plantations” Twitter crowd They are not representative of all Latino voters - and certainly not newer Mexican or Puerto Rican voters. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 34 minutes ago, SandyCromarty said: Nothing more absurd than the fact that the US will soon have a President wearing nappies. They've had that for the last 4 years and probably have had this occur on numerous occasions. Looking at RBG's death, Nader openly shitting himself on stage, the three most likely presidential nominees being Sander, Biden and Trump, and that recent pic of McConnell's zombie hands I think the best description of the US is a gerontocracy which is why the idea floated on another thread of killing presidents when their term is up is good and should probably be extended somewhat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, NotThePars said: They've had that for the last 4 years and probably have had this occur on numerous occasions. Looking at RBG's death, Nader openly shitting himself on stage, the three most likely presidential nominees being Sander, Biden and Trump, and that recent pic of McConnell's zombie hands I think the best description of the US is a gerontocracy which is why the idea floated on another thread of killing presidents when their term is up is good and should probably be extended somewhat. I still don't understand how Biden ended up on top of the Democrat pile, other than that part of his history might appeal to some of the more flexible of Trump's white power constituency, along with his supposedly working class roots. There were alternatives who wouldn't scare the wavering independents too much with socialistic thinkings goddammity, but they were all female, and one of them black. Buttigieg was obviously a no no, despite his GOP light vibe. Maybe I've just explained it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I still don't understand how Biden ended up on top of the Democrat pile, other than that part of his history might appeal to some of the more flexible of Trump's white power constituency, along with his supposedly working class roots. There were alternatives who wouldn't scare the wavering independents too much with socialistic thinkings goddammity, but they were all female, and one of them black. Buttigieg was obviously a no no, despite his GOP light vibe. Maybe I've just explained it. First one to actually beat Sanders without shenanigans is the simple answer IMHO. The other candidates were utter shit as well. Biden is at least popular outside of the psychos who follow this shit and has far more potential buy in, I think, even if it is just residual fondness for Obama. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 1 hour ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: They are not representative of all Latino voters - and certainly not newer Mexican or Puerto Rican voters. Or younger Cubans either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 22 minutes ago, NotThePars said: First one to actually beat Sanders without shenanigans is the simple answer IMHO. The other candidates were utter shit as well. Biden is at least popular outside of the psychos who follow this shit and has far more potential buy in, I think, even if it is just residual fondness for Obama. I just remember feeling despair as the primaries approached. Short bandwagon for Sanders who I liked but wasn't sure about his international nouse, but followed by a very weird evaporation of support and the next day Biden was King. Looked shady. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I just remember feeling despair as the primaries approached. Short bandwagon for Sanders who I liked but wasn't sure about his international nouse, but followed by a very weird evaporation of support and the next day Biden was King. Looked shady. I think it's well documented that Obama made the necessary phonecalls before Super Tuesday so everyone fell in line. I would genuinely love to hear what he promised everyone. Surely to f**k Klobuchar, Harris and Warren weren't all offered VP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 1 minute ago, NotThePars said: I think it's well documented that Obama made the necessary phonecalls before Super Tuesday so everyone fell in line. I would genuinely love to hear what he promised everyone. Surely to f**k Klobuchar, Harris and Warren weren't all offered VP. I've heard of the infamous power of the Democrat machine going back decades, but how you get tens of thousands, if not more, to change their individual votes overnight takes you back to the fun days of Jimmy Hoffa and the Mafia. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I've heard of the infamous power of the Democrat machine going back decades, but how you get tens of thousands, if not more, to change their individual votes overnight takes you back to the fun days of Jimmy Hoffa and the Mafia. I'm talking about Klobuchar and Buttigieg dropping out before Super Tuesday. They both, along with Beto, also rapidly endorsed Biden. Edited October 27, 2020 by NotThePars 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 37 minutes ago, NotThePars said: I'm talking about Klobuchar and Buttigieg dropping out before Super Tuesday. They both, along with Beto, also rapidly endorsed Biden. Yeah, I'm getting a bit Bindendy on the uptake at my age. Still think the vote transfer was too explosive to be explained by that alone. I doubt the individual voters would just vote how their drop out candidate told them to, not to that extent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 17 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Yeah, I'm getting a bit Bindendy on the uptake at my age. Still think the vote transfer was too explosive to be explained by that alone. I doubt the individual voters would just vote how their drop out candidate told them to, not to that extent. lol well ofc like anything ever there's a million conflicting explanations but I think in the future autopsies people will be hard pressed to look beyond Biden's SC win forcing a falling in line behind him from the moderates, the Sanders campaign making a serious mistake in taking their foot off the gas after Nevada, and the onset of Covid and psychotic initial Democratic demands to conduct the Primaries in person as the three big moments that cemented Biden's victory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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