WoS - What's the Story

[8MileBU 5,523]

27 minutes ago, lithgierose said:

Home delivery incoming. 

Aye, now I’ve asked the question that’ll be the answer.

[Auld Heid 356]

Random question - As a Linlithgow resident Gordon, do you shop at Tesco, Sainsbury or Aldi mostly, or generally all three?

 

Linlithgow has an Aldi, how common...!!

 

Personally I'm more a Fortnum & Mason type shopper.

 

 

 

[Dev 648]

The Latest from the WoS. The key part may be:

The Scottish Football Association ........ stated, that we must retain the format that was negotiated at the very beginning of the season, which is:

Premier Division of 20 clubs reducing to 16 by 2022/23 at tier 6. Tier 7 was to consist of 3 Conferences playing to become 3 Linear Leagues by 2022/23.

 

 

October 13, 2020

The following is an email sent to all WoSFL member clubs at 10.50am on the morning of 13th October 2020 by Kennie Young, Secretary of the Interim Management Group.

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To All Clubs,

As Secretary of the Interim Management Group of the West of Scotland Football League it is my duty to update you on the plans for starting the Leagues.

We have had intense discussions, throughout the weekend, including talks with the Scottish Football Association on possible scenarios surrounding the results of our recent ballot.

These meetings and discussions culminated in a Zoom Meeting last night lasting almost three hours.

Our over-riding principle in all this is protection of each and every one of our 67 clubs.

In line with the decision taken by the Lowland League, we also decided that we would not force any team to take part in a competition that had the potential to bankrupt them due to no income from fans, or that forced them to ignore their duty of care to their players and staff.

Therefore we offered the teams the option to withdraw from the league without penalty.

Relegation is a form of penalty.

So we cannot relegate a team for not playing and also we could not relegate a team for playing whilst allowing non-playing teams to retain a spot for next season.

The Scottish Football Association have accepted that due to the current circumstances we are quite correct to consider the welfare and survival of all of our clubs and that we have to consider all aspects and implications of any decision we come to.

They completely agreed that it would be unfair to punish any team wishing to withdraw from playing if they were concerned for their players, staff, committee and their fans. Also, that the clubs had to consider the financial implications of closed door matches.

They also informed us that due to a number of clubs withdrawing from playing and without penalty, that it was right and proper that the full 4 league structure from this season should rollover to the next season. 

However, it was also stated, that we must retain the format that was negotiated at the very beginning of the season, which is:

Premier Division of 20 clubs reducing to 16 by 2022/23 at tier 6. Tier 7 was to consist of 3 Conferences playing to become 3 Linear Leagues by 2022/23.

All teams must start Season 2021/22 in the League they are in at present.

For clarification, this means that there will be no promotion and/or relegation between tiers 6 and 7 in accordance with the Q&A document emailed to every member club on Monday 5th October. This was subsequently fully discussed at the online meeting held on the evening of Tuesday 6th October, three days before the closing time of the vote.

We considered every option and outcome, we also considered the emails, messages and phone calls from a small number of clubs that contacted us with various suggestions.

Since the result of the Ballot being published we have received emails from 9 clubs informing and confirming that they wish to withdraw from competing in this season’s League Competition. This has been implemented and the Premier League will commence on Saturday 24^th October with 15 Clubs.

It has been decided that we will run with a fixture list of 28 Games where each team will play the other 14 teams on a home and away basis.

The 3 Conferences will run with the remaining teams and will also be played on a home and away basis, we may if required adjust these Conferences to try to achieve a balance across the leagues.

Titles, Trophies and Medals will be assigned to all competitions.

I now have to inform you, that, should your club wish to take up the option of withdrawing from playing in any of the Leagues and be able to do so without penalty, you will have until 8PM on Friday 16^th October 2020, to confirm via an email to myself, of that decision. After that deadline passes all clubs that have not informed me of their withdrawal will be considered as playing.

A fixture list will be produced as soon as possible thereafter and the clubs will be expected to complete those fixtures. However, we have also decided that due to some of the results from the earlier club survey, we have also added a period of grace to still withdraw without penalty.

If you feel your club cannot continue due to the restrictions that are in place at that time, we will allow clubs to inform me via an email of their desire to withdraw from playing.

The deadline for that stage will be 8PM on Saturday 14^thNovember 2020.

Please note, that any club that has not withdrawn from playing by that deadline will be considered as playing and will be expected to complete their commitment to the League by playing all fixtures as set out. Any club withdrawing after that deadline will be considered as having withdrawn from the WoSFL and may be sanctioned for that withdrawal.

Finally, a reminder once again that the closing deadline for any club to withdraw without penalty from the Soccer Shop Challenge Cup is Saturday 17^th October.

Regards,

Kennie Young
Secretary
Interim Management Group of the West of Scotland Football League

 

 

[Auld Heid 356]

Gartcairn are less than impressed by the WoS statement.

Personally, despite my desire for the return of football.

The harsh reality is that players safety must come first and given that things are getting worse not better - all football which isn't F/T needs to stop.

[Tynierose 17,305]

9 minutes ago, Auld Heid said:

Gartcairn are less than impressed by the WoS statement.

Personally, despite my desire for the return of football.

The harsh reality is that players safety must come first and given that things are getting worse not better - all football which isn't F/T needs to stop.

Correct and it shouldn't have started without fans in any case.   It shouldn't have started without access to changing rooms and shower facilities either.

Football without fans is dreadful and instead of buzzing on Saturday at first game of season I was flat as its just not right to start without our support.

I voted for it not too start but unfortunately the majority Of clubs wanted to crack on with the 10th October start. With cases rising will this be reviewed, who knows, but football without supporters is soulless.

We've already seen incidences of entire squads being asked to isolate, I'm sure the boys employers will love that never mind those that are self employed.

 

 

Edited October 13, 2020 by Tynierose

[AlanCamelonfan 1,197]

4 minutes ago, Tynierose said:

Correct and it shouldn't have started without fans in any case.   It shouldn't have started without access to changing rooms and shower facilities either.

Football without fans is dreadful and instead of buzzing on Saturday at first game of season I was flat as its just not right to start without our support.

I voted for it not too start but unfortunately the majority Of clubs wanted to crack on with the 10th October start. With cases rising will this be reviewed, who knows, but football without supporters is soulless.

We've already seen incidences of entire squads being asked to isolate, I'm sure the boys employers will love that never mind those that are self employed.

 

 

Twice they've asked full squads to isolate in the forth valley and twice both have had it overturned. Dunipace and shire.

If everyone live streamed clubs could generate funds for clubs.

Is it right? No? It would be better with fans in the ground.

Wos has been a balls up and would be aswell scrapping their season just now

[Auld Heid 356]

Twice they've asked full squads to isolate in the forth valley and twice both have had it overturned. Dunipace and shire.
If everyone live streamed clubs could generate funds for clubs.
Is it right? No? It would be better with fans in the ground.
Wos has been a balls up and would be aswell scrapping their season just now

Sadly the majority won't pay and the ones who do won't do so in sufficient numbers to make it a viable long-term.

You highlight one of the main issue of players being asked to self isolate and putting their livelihoods at danger not to mention their health.

What happens if the league is stopped - at what stage do you declare a winner?

[AlanCamelonfan 1,197]

26 minutes ago, Auld Heid said:

Sadly the majority won't pay and the ones who do won't do so in sufficient numbers to make it a viable long-term.

You highlight one of the main issue of players being asked to self isolate and putting their livelihoods at danger not to mention their health.

What happens if the league is stopped - at what stage do you declare a winner?

When camelon are top of the league

[GordonS 5,242]

18 hours ago, gaz5 said:

Sorry Gordon, but no. It's quite acceptable to call it out for what it is.

 

Your assumption for the reason it happened is incorrect, but I won't go into it other than to say they 100% made an arse of it and are well aware of that.

 

There was zero new information and zero changes to the case between 40+ people being told they must isolate for 14 days on Saturday and an email this morning saying no people must isolate at all despite 4 players (who were no closer than anyone else) being contacted by the app and told to isolate already.

 

You can give the benefit of the doubt if you want, having no information and no understanding of the case, but having all of the info and having been involved in it I'm quite comfortable in saying test and trace handling of the case has been a shambles.

You can talk about one case, but you can't talk about the whole system. It's not a shambles. Too many people are seeing what they want to see, without nearly enough information or experience.

And even in your case, how do you know what contacts they were checking with other people? You wouldn't be told that.

[GordonS 5,242]

1 hour ago, Tynierose said:

Correct and it shouldn't have started without fans in any case.   It shouldn't have started without access to changing rooms and shower facilities either.

Football without fans is dreadful and instead of buzzing on Saturday at first game of season I was flat as its just not right to start without our support.

I voted for it not too start but unfortunately the majority Of clubs wanted to crack on with the 10th October start. With cases rising will this be reviewed, who knows, but football without supporters is soulless.

We've already seen incidences of entire squads being asked to isolate, I'm sure the boys employers will love that never mind those that are self employed.

 

 

Has anyone said if players are getting paid or not? It seems like the key bit of information to me. If they're getting paid then playing on seems a huge gamble with the future of clubs. If not then I have to assume it's financially sustainable.

Fans are in the dark.

[AlanCamelonfan 1,197]

1 hour ago, GordonS said:

You can talk about one case, but you can't talk about the whole system. It's not a shambles. Too many people are seeing what they want to see, without nearly enough information or experience.

And even in your case, how do you know what contacts they were checking with other people? You wouldn't be told that.

Two cases shire aswell. Just face it the scottish government are making an arse of it and the whole thing is a shambles from top to bottom. Time the monster raving looney party got in

[GordonS 5,242]

2 hours ago, AlanCamelonfan said:

Two cases shire aswell. Just face it the scottish government are making an arse of it and the whole thing is a shambles from top to bottom. Time the monster raving looney party got in

Nope. What I see is a major lack of perspective from the Scottish football world.

[gaz5 1,639]

You can talk about one case, but you can't talk about the whole system. It's not a shambles. Too many people are seeing what they want to see, without nearly enough information or experience.

And even in your case, how do you know what contacts they were checking with other people? You wouldn't be told that.

I'm only talking about one case. Where have I mentioned any other?

 

That case was a shambles. I'm allowed to say that as it's a fact.

 

No idea why you're arguing about it.

 

And yes we were told, both why they were isolating initially (nothing to do with other contacts) and why they decided not to (nothing to do with other contacts).

 

[grinderbrokeyourhearts 260]

4 hours ago, GordonS said:

Has anyone said if players are getting paid or not? It seems like the key bit of information to me. If they're getting paid then playing on seems a huge gamble with the future of clubs. If not then I have to assume it's financially sustainable.

Fans are in the dark.

Why would players play if they weren’t getting paid?

[GordonS 5,242]

3 minutes ago, grinderbrokeyourhearts said:

Why would players play if they weren’t getting paid?

Same reason amateur players play. Because they like it.

If clubs are committing to a season of paying players and not having any matchday income or pitchside advertising, that's something that gravely worries me. 

[GordonS 5,242]

41 minutes ago, gaz5 said:

I'm only talking about one case. Where have I mentioned any other?

 

That case was a shambles. I'm allowed to say that as it's a fact.

 

No idea why you're arguing about it.

 

And yes we were told, both why they were isolating initially (nothing to do with other contacts) and why they decided not to (nothing to do with other contacts).

 

Fine, if you only meant that case then fair enough👍

[AlanCamelonfan 1,197]

7 hours ago, GordonS said:

Same reason amateur players play. Because they like it.

If clubs are committing to a season of paying players and not having any matchday income or pitchside advertising, that's something that gravely worries me. 

Clubs will still have sponsors. Its tax deductible for them.

What I want to know is what is your role on this defensiveness of the scottish government. Are you Frank that gets the door for nicola or what

[Stag Nation 391]

1 hour ago, AlanCamelonfan said:

Clubs will still have sponsors. Its tax deductible for them.

What has that got to do with anything?

Paying £1,000 for advertising no-one will see is a dumb idea, even if it only costs £800 after tax.

[FairWeatherFan 3,670]

9 minutes ago, Stag Nation said:

What has that got to do with anything?

Paying £1,000 for advertising no-one will see is a dumb idea, even if it only costs £800 after tax.

Some sponsors still seem to be doing it though. Since you can see plenty of them being promoted across clubs social media and websites.

[AlanCamelonfan 1,197]

38 minutes ago, Stag Nation said:

What has that got to do with anything?

Paying £1,000 for advertising no-one will see is a dumb idea, even if it only costs £800 after tax.

As fairweather points out it's more than just boards these days its social media websites