mcruic Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 (edited) Given that the Premier league is doing a 7 out, 3 in to reduce itself to 16 teams, where does that leave the other 51 teams? 3 more tiers of 17 teams? Split Tier 8 into 2? I think the East of Scotland clubs have it a bit easier to progress through the pyramid as they only go down to Tier 7 at the moment - some clubs in the WoS could find themselves at Tier 9, even though they are probably better than some of the East teams at Tier 7 (and South teams at Tier 6). Edited September 15, 2020 by mcruic 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morley Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 (edited) Surely its inevitable there will be a need for more tiers in the West as there is more clubs/larger population base, I don't really see why that would be an issue. The alternative being you have larger league divisions/conversely smaller league divisions to try and have an equal number of steps in the ladder between the East and West. But experience shows having large league divisions, and ones that are to small dont really work. Yes the West arguably may have more strength in depth than the EoS and definitely than the SoS, and some clubs may have to go through 4 tiers to reach the LL, but that is just the nature of pyramid football league model is it not, which will balance out via the playoffs between the respective leagues and where on paper the likely area the teams going up and coming down will come from. Edited September 15, 2020 by morley 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 7 hours ago, mcruic said: Given that the Premier league is doing a 7 out, 3 in to reduce itself to 16 teams, where does that leave the other 51 teams? 3 more tiers of 17 teams? Split Tier 8 into 2? I think the East of Scotland clubs have it a bit easier to progress through the pyramid as they only go down to Tier 7 at the moment - some clubs in the WoS could find themselves at Tier 9, even though they are probably better than some of the East teams at Tier 7 (and South teams at Tier 6). Guessing this was meant to be for 2021-22. The idea of going straight to 4 tiered divisions seemed to be the one suggested by most clubs in the press and social media. Not sure if it was ever decided exactly what it would look like beyond getting the Premier down to 16. As you'll have seen there's been more pressing matters to resolve so it has never been defined. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcruic Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 8 hours ago, morley said: Surely its inevitable there will be a need for more tiers in the West as there is more clubs/larger population base, I don't really see why that would be an issue. The alternative being you have larger league divisions/conversely smaller league divisions to try and have an equal number of steps in the ladder between the East and West. But experience shows having large league divisions, and ones that are to small dont really work. Yes the West arguably may have more strength in depth than the EoS and definitely than the SoS, and some clubs may have to go through 4 tiers to reach the LL, but that is just the nature of pyramid football league model is it not, which will balance out via the playoffs between the respective leagues and where on paper the likely area the teams going up and coming down will come from. The alternative would be to have splits at each level (so 2 leagues at Level 7 like the EoS is doing). That way 2 league wins could see you in the LL. The West could easily have a split at Tier 7, with 2 leagues, and then 2 leagues at Tier 8. 4 up 4 down between Tier 6 and Tier 7 would mean the Top 2 of each Tier 7 league could go up each year and would keep it all competitive. That way, nobody is more than 3 steps away from the Lowland League. The West used to have a split between Central and Ayrshire anyway below Level 2 - so it's not a new idea. South of Scotland League should really be in with the West as a regional division at Tier 8. If any club wants to go higher up, they can play in West Tier 7 (Where their travel would be less than if they went up to the LL). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcruic Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 8 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said: Guessing this was meant to be for 2021-22. The idea of going straight to 4 tiered divisions seemed to be the one suggested by most clubs in the press and social media. Not sure if it was ever decided exactly what it would look like beyond getting the Premier down to 16. As you'll have seen there's been more pressing matters to resolve so it has never been defined. Yeah - changed the title. Easy to forget what year it is at the moment... I'm not sure 2020-21 will even get completed to be honest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B75 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 19 hours ago, mcruic said: The alternative would be to have splits at each level (so 2 leagues at Level 7 like the EoS is doing). That way 2 league wins could see you in the LL. The West could easily have a split at Tier 7, with 2 leagues, and then 2 leagues at Tier 8. 4 up 4 down between Tier 6 and Tier 7 would mean the Top 2 of each Tier 7 league could go up each year and would keep it all competitive. That way, nobody is more than 3 steps away from the Lowland League. The West used to have a split between Central and Ayrshire anyway below Level 2 - so it's not a new idea. South of Scotland League should really be in with the West as a regional division at Tier 8. If any club wants to go higher up, they can play in West Tier 7 (Where their travel would be less than if they went up to the LL). Everybody on here seems to think Sosl should be tier 8. Tough they're tier 6, deal with it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 On 15/09/2020 at 02:04, mcruic said: Given that the Premier league is doing a 7 out, 3 in to reduce itself to 16 teams, where does that leave the other 51 teams? 3 more tiers of 17 teams? Split Tier 8 into 2? I think the East of Scotland clubs have it a bit easier to progress through the pyramid as they only go down to Tier 7 at the moment - some clubs in the WoS could find themselves at Tier 9, even though they are probably better than some of the East teams at Tier 7 (and South teams at Tier 6). Ultimately, to progress to tier 5, you have to be the best team at tier 6 at the moment. That's the same whether you're East, West or South. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, B75 said: Everybody on here seems to think Sosl should be tier 8. Tough they're tier 6, deal with it. The SoS and WoS cover the same geographic region and should be merged. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B75 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 4 hours ago, Marshmallo said: The SoS and WoS cover the same geographic region and should be merged. No they dont and no they shouldn't. The clues are in the name, SOUTH and WEST. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 18 minutes ago, B75 said: No they dont and no they shouldn't. The clues are in the name, SOUTH and WEST. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Just for the record the 2020/21 structure for the Premier Division as announced by the league is: Premier Division : Group 1 Group 2 Auchinleck Talbot Beith Juniors Benburb Cumbernauld United Blantyre Victoria Cumnock Juniors Bonnyton Thistle Darvel Clydebank Hurlford United Glenafton Athletic Kilwinning Rangers Irvine Meadow XI Pollok Kilbirnie Ladeside Rossvale Kirkintilloch Rob Roy Rutherglen Glencairn Largs Thistle Troon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Just for the record the 2020/21 structure for the Division One Conferences as announced by the league is: Conference A Group 1 Group 2 Craigmark Burntonians Arthurlie Forth Wanderers Bellshill Athletic Girvan Johnstone Burgh Glasgow University Lesmahagow Juniors Irvine Victoria Lugar Boswell Thistle Maryhill Muirkirk Juniors Maybole Juniors Saltcoats Victoria Shotts Bon Accord Whitletts Victoria Conference B Group 1 Group 2 Annbank United Ardeer Thistle Cambuslang Rangers Ashfield Carluke Rovers Dalry Thistle Kello Rovers Gartcairn Renfrew Greenock Juniors Shettleston Newmains United St. Cadoc’s Port Glasgow Juniors Thorniewood United Royal Albert Conference C Group 1 (7) Group 2 (8) Ardrossan Winton Rovers Drumchapel United Larkhall Thistle East Kilbride Thistle Neilston Glasgow Perthshire Petershill Kilsyth Rangers Vale of Clyde Lanark United Wishaw St. Anthony’s Yoker Athletic St. Roch’s Vale of Leven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutankhamen Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Nothing yet on the official Wosfl social media pages. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 17 hours ago, B75 said: No they dont and no they shouldn't. The clues are in the name, SOUTH and WEST. What folk are effectively suggesting is that the SoSL becomes the 'West South' league. Which is probably more geographically correct. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Nothing yet on the official Wosfl social media pages. There is now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rncaa Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 (edited) Ignoring the anorak who started this thread what an absolute cluster f**k this whole thing is. Clubs scattered all over the place over split conferences, fixtures all over the place , all for a season that has little chance of even half way becoming credible. We are already seeing local lockdown happening again in society the tier 1 premiership with all its resources and money will be lucky to finish the season with no fans or a tiny handful allowed in. The game at this level is done for this season survival mode needs to be applied time for whoever is in charge to realise this instead of pie in the sky proposals do not wait for a club or two to disappear to start to take the sensible route. Edited September 17, 2020 by rncaa -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 21 minutes ago, rncaa said: Ignoring the anorak who started this thread what an absolute cluster f**k this whole thing is. Clubs scattered all over the place over split conferences, fixtures all over the place , all for a season that has little chance of even half way becoming credible. We are already seeing local lockdown happening again in society the tier 1 premiership with all its resources and money will be lucky to finish the season with no fans or a tiny handful allowed in. The game at this level is done for this season survival mode needs to be applied time for whoever is in charge to realise this instead of pie in the sky proposals do not wait for a club or two to disappear to start to take the sensible route. This seems familiar, have you mentioned it before? 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 This seems familiar, have you mentioned it before?Eat. Sleep. Rant and rave. Repeat. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 (edited) There's the Toon shutting doon now. There's no way the season will get going any time soon. Well done to those who have tried to restructure things but it really is moot. Edited September 17, 2020 by jimbaxters 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy25 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 In your opinion [emoji849] There's the Toon shutting doon now. There's no way the season will get going any time soon. Well done to those who have tried to restructure things but it really is moot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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