101 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, Anonapersona said: Is this actually for real? It looks like it but it's hard to tell from over here. Yes that really was the Records front page this morning 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 13 hours ago, Saltire said: Did she accept the position, or was just too complicated for her to decide? I quite liked that virtually every report on her appointment as Ross's adviser was basically "Kirstene Hair, who felt it was too difficult a decision to vote in the Brexit referendum....". The pair of them really are as thick as f**k. Maybe it's an Angus thing - Maurice Golden and Braden Davy are standing on the North and South Angus lists and are both genuine morons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 13 hours ago, 101 said: I'm sure this is exactly the kind of press they thought would help get voters on side. Sarwar made the right decision(can hardly believe I'm typing this) in getting Labour to have nothing to do with that stupid VONC from the Tories and making them own its failure totally. Listening to his reasonable speech I wonder if he's eying up 2nd place in the election and thinking "this is for the taking." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, AndyM said: Sarwar made the right decision(can hardly believe I'm typing this) in getting Labour to have nothing to do with that stupid VONC from the Tories and making them own its failure totally. Listening to his reasonable speech I wonder if he's eying up 2nd place in the election and thinking "this is for the taking." It would be nice to have a Labour Party that realised the Tories are their enemy, instead of mates they could lend support to. Maybe someone's actually realised that's a one-way street, and has cost them votes. Probably not TBH. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonapersona Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 9 minutes ago, AndyM said: Sarwar made the right decision(can hardly believe I'm typing this) in getting Labour to have nothing to do with that stupid VONC from the Tories and making them own its failure totally. Listening to his reasonable speech I wonder if he's eying up 2nd place in the election and thinking "this is for the taking." When the prize is 2nd place maybe it's time for them to rethink their ties with Westminster. It's sad to see Labour fall so hard but they deserve everything and nothing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 Bojo just called him Murray Ross at pmqs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, BFTD said: It would be nice to have a Labour Party that realised the Tories are their enemy, instead of mates they could lend support to. Maybe someone's actually realised that's a one-way street, and has cost them votes. Probably not TBH. That was what forced me away from Labour in the first place. I never ever understood the hatred for the SNP another centre left party, a party they could work with on so many levels. How they could cuddle up to the Tories is just fucking beyond me. And then there is the Bain principle, one of the dumbest most myopic pieces of political idiocy ever. Its cost them hugely through the last decade. Perhaps Sarwar has woken up to this, perhaps not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 9 minutes ago, doulikefish said: Bojo just called him Murray Ross at pmqs Getting him mixed up with the MP for Douglas. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 12 minutes ago, AndyM said: That was what forced me away from Labour in the first place. I never ever understood the hatred for the SNP another centre left party, a party they could work with on so many levels. How they could cuddle up to the Tories is just fucking beyond me. And then there is the Bain principle, one of the dumbest most myopic pieces of political idiocy ever. Its cost them hugely through the last decade. Perhaps Sarwar has woken up to this, perhaps not. Ultimately, the union remaining intact is something UK Labour supports. Scottish Labour can't move away from that under their current construct. For UK Labour, the best way to guarantee the union is not to have the SNP in government - at least not with an overall indy majority including Greens. That then has to drive how Scottish Labour behaves. They're in a no-win situation - at least those who are left. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, AndyM said: That was what forced me away from Labour in the first place. I never ever understood the hatred for the SNP another centre left party, a party they could work with on so many levels. How they could cuddle up to the Tories is just fucking beyond me. And then there is the Bain principle, one of the dumbest most myopic pieces of political idiocy ever. Its cost them hugely through the last decade. Perhaps Sarwar has woken up to this, perhaps not. I get the impression that it still goes all the way back to the confidence vote that Labour lost in 1979. The auld yins have been telling the younger members that the SNP aren't to be trusted, or co-operated with, under any circumstances for decades now. It strikes me as blisteringly arrogant to just expect to be propped up by other parties, no matter how poor your own performance is, and even if you've stabbed them in the back on issues that are important to them. They've never taken responsibility for that, and act as though things were going just fine until the SNP inflicted Thatcher on us all. The SNP appear to have learned the lesson that the Tories are always the bad guys, while Labour seem to have no idea what they stand for other than SNP BAD. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Wee Murray Ross launching the tories campaign in Aberdeen.....no fleg 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 (edited) On 24/03/2021 at 12:58, BFTD said: I get the impression that it still goes all the way back to the confidence vote that Labour lost in 1979. The auld yins have been telling the younger members that the SNP aren't to be trusted, or co-operated with, under any circumstances for decades now. It strikes me as blisteringly arrogant to just expect to be propped up by other parties, no matter how poor your own performance is, and even if you've stabbed them in the back on issues that are important to them. They've never taken responsibility for that, and act as though things were going just fine until the SNP inflicted Thatcher on us all. The SNP appear to have learned the lesson that the Tories are always the bad guys, while Labour seem to have no idea what they stand for other than SNP BAD. Definitely this. Lost count the number of times I've had to explain to 20 and 30'something Labourites that even Jim Callaghan laid the blame for losing that vote fairly and squarely at the feet of his own MP's. The 'SNP gave us Thatcher' is total and utter myth, but typical of the sort of Labour self-delusion that's still very much in evidence since 2007 Edited March 25, 2021 by Boo Khaki 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 I see they've added another couple now, but earlier today the BBC were listing the Tories' policies for this election as "end division and rebuild the country from the pandemic" and "oppose another referendum on Scottish independence", which is the kind of detailed and thoughtful manifesto that most of us would've expected from reading their bumph over the past decade https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56510773 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Great effort today claiming the pay offer to NHS workers is only because of support from the UK government. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said: Great effort today claiming the pay offer to NHS workers is only because of support from the UK government. How much is being offered in England with support of the U.K. government? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 The guy is a fuckin joke and he will be found out with this election. And if it hadn't been for the forthcoming election I'm sure that he would have fired over the Sturgeon Fiasco which failed so miserably for him, Fud Fraser will take over. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 22 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: How much is being offered in England with support of the U.K. government? That would be my point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapelhall chap Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 24 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: How much is being offered in England with support of the U.K. government? That's exactly what I thought on hearing him and I presume as a Westminster MP he backed that Treasury position of 1%. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksburnDandy Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Wee Murray Ross launching the tories campaign in Aberdeen.....no fleg [emoji23]Where in Aberdeen did he launch? Did he slither into some oil building, the beach ballroom free of charge thanks to Lumsden or launch at the RNUC with grace of the local business barons? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted March 25, 2021 Author Share Posted March 25, 2021 Douglas Ross is going to get his arse handed to him on a weekly basis at FM Questions. Oft. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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