Junior changes at the top

[rncaa]

Delighted to read the news of new office bearers in the junior game to take the 100 plus clubs into the new decade.  

Best of luck gents! 

[cmontheloknow]

do you have a random name generator?

[Sergeant Wilson]

Good Junior men who will forgive and oversee the return of the traitors from the pirate League.

[glensmad]

And he's back again. [emoji23]

[Bad Wolf]

Same trough, different snouts. What could possibly go wrong?

[LongTimeLurker]

58 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

Good Junior men who will forgive and oversee the return of the traitors from the pirate League.

Why would west region people still be getting the top jobs in SJFA terms, if the WoS was the end of the road for the juniors in the west? Once the WoS elects its own officeholders "the pirate league" could effectively be the west region again. The former west region fixture secretary already appears to be on board in the new set up with a view to a future elected position in that role in a WoS context.

[Marten]

15 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Why would west region people still be getting the top jobs in SJFA terms, if the WoS was the end of the road for the juniors in the west? Once the WoS elects its own officeholders "the pirate league" could effectively be the west region again. The former west region fixture secretary already appears to be on board in the new set up with a view to a future elected position in that role in a WoS context.

A bit odd that TJ is replaced by a West official, it would make far more sense to come up with a north or Tayside one imo, especially in view of the pyramid debates for those areas.

[Ian38018]

3 hours ago, Bad Wolf said:

Same trough, different snouts. What could possibly go wrong?

Pretty shallow trough I should imagine, these days.

[Ian38018]

7 hours ago, rncaa said:

Delighted to read the news of new office bearers in the junior game to take the 100 plus clubs into the new decade.  

Best of luck gents! 

100 plus clubs??

I understood there were 33 North Region clubs, plus just 30 left in the East.

Are we including former West Region ones, who have retained their Junior Cop place in the 100 plus?

That does seem a touch disingenuous. 

Edited August 29, 2020 by Ian38018

[Stag Nation]

I hear the sound of deck-chairs being re-arranged.

[Ginaro]

5 minutes ago, Stag Nation said:

I hear the sound of deck-chairs being re-arranged.

Dragged along the floor making a screeching sound - "seeeeniors"

[LongTimeLurker]

1 hour ago, Ian38018 said:

100 plus clubs??

I understood there were 33 North Region clubs, plus just 30 left in the East.

Are we including former West Region ones, who have retained their Junior Cop place in the 100 plus?

That does seem a touch disingenuous. 

The two new leading officeholders announced are from the west, so the 50 or 53 clubs from the former west region that are still members clearly have a large say within the SJFA. Worth bearing in mind that the SJFA's role is primarily to run the Junior Cup and the latter stages of that competition have been very much dominated by the west region in recent seasons, while the north region has not been much of a factor beyond the first couple of rounds for at least 50 years.

An obvious question to ponder is what happens to WoS participation in the South Challenge Cup once the WoS elects its own officeholders and is no longer being administered by the LL. If they voted collectively to prioritise the Junior Cup instead is there anything that could actually be done about it by the LL and EoS, if the SFA board didn't care (as was the case previously with the short-lived North Challenge Cup)? If the EoS can unilaterally add clubs from north of the Tay Bridge boundary into the pyramid based only on a membership vote and could give Clydebank provisional membership a couple of years back, what happens if the WoS unilaterally decides it can welcome West Lothian clubs to the pyramid party in a similar sort of way?

Best to wait and see what unfolds over the next few years rather than assuming the SJFA is a relic of the past clung to by a few crazed Luddites that will inevitably disappear. Now all 63 west region clubs are in the pyramid, the EoS and LL have a lot less leverage over what happens next than they had previously. There needed to be a small breakaway WoS leaving a rump west region behind in the SJFA for the south pyramid to still be following a trajectory in which there was definitely no future role for the SJFA. That's not what happened and Burnieman and co were not happy about it at the time.

[Bad Wolf]

2 hours ago, Ian38018 said:

Pretty shallow trough I should imagine, these days.

Deep enough to be worth digging into. Particularly if LTL's scenario above plays out. The notion that the WoSFL (aka the West Juniors) is the most important non-league league because of all the specialness isn't going away anytime soon.

[whitburn exile]

Should have been replaced as the whole grade should have been out straight into a pyramid structure

[FairWeatherFan]

1 hour ago, Bad Wolf said:

Deep enough to be worth digging into. Particularly if LTL's scenario above plays out. The notion that the WoSFL (aka the West Juniors) is the most important non-league league because of all the specialness isn't going away anytime soon.

The SJC over SCC argument doesn't factor in the more important cup though, and that's the Scottish Cup.

It's not looking like the SFA are all that minded to creating a more open draw. It's likely to have several layers of prelims/early rounds that will take up a lot of the early months of the season. The focus will then be on catching up on postponed league games not other cups.

With league games prioritised over cups. Any non-league Scottish Cup tournament isn't going to have the same influence it the Junior Cup once had.

[LongTimeLurker]

2 hours ago, whitburn exile said:

Should have been replaced as the whole grade should have been out straight into a pyramid structure

The SFA board seem to have had the attitude that once the SJFA AGM voted for pyramid entry the three junior regions should have simply slotted in pretty much as is at tier 6. All the SJFA actually really does is run the Junior Cup, so that's what junior football really all revolved around, having a national nonleague cup competition which is something the nonleague seniors didn't have.

Previously the choice was pyramid or "holy grail". If/when it becomes clearly established that you can play in the Scottish Junior Cup and the senior grade's pyramid at one and the same time, it's not safe to assume that the South Challenge Cup would automatically be the winner if the present day EoS clubs got to choose whether to have the SJC or SCC as their main prestige nonleague cup competition.

Most EoS clubs are now from a recent east region background and many were less than 100% gung ho about pyramid entry. In another 5 to 10 years the LL will probably also be majority ex-junior club. League and association constitutions can be amended by majority vote. The south pyramid may have started out as mainly a Spartans and other old EoS premier endeavour but it can now be actively retrofitted to be more in tune with the traditions of junior football where having a national nonleague cup competition is concerned.

Edited August 29, 2020 by LongTimeLurker

[jimbaxters]

Will the secretary position still be a full time salaried role? If so, how can they still afford it? 

[LongTimeLurker]

What was posted the last time this came up:

On 05/08/2020 at 22:16, cmontheloknow said:

I hear it may become a part-time role.

 

[jimbaxters]

3 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said:

What was posted the last time this came up:

 

Cheers. It should always have been and absolutely has to be now.