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4 hours ago, Sortmeout said:

To ask a further question - what would happen if , at the same time, the whole of the UK was having a vote on independence. So every single adult resident of Scotland, England, Wales and NI voting on the same day for the whole of the UK to be broken up or stay together? 

The only nailed on thing there is Wales desperately praying for the UK to continue. I suspect England would as well dependent on the framing of the question and the specific options, but I think would be touch and go with both Scotland and NI, the dynamic of NI dependent on whether Irish reunification was on the cards or not.

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We need t'referendum for independence for Yorkshire. Happen lad, they have the same population as Scotland and gas off coast. 

T' People's Republic of Yorkshire: flat cap and whippet for all on t'Yorkie NHS and 24 hour repeats of Last of Summer Wine on Yorkie TV. It makes sense. 

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3 hours ago, tamthebam said:

imageproxy.php?img=&key=bd729091e51e729aWe need t'referendum for independence for Yorkshire. Happen lad, they have the same population as Scotland and gas off coast. 

T' People's Republic of Yorkshire: flat cap and whippet for all on t'Yorkie NHS and 24 hour repeats of Last of Summer Wine on Yorkie TV. It makes sense. 

I went to see Leeds Utd play once. The crowd have a chant which goes:

"Yaakshee, Yaakshee, Yaakshee". 

Over, and fucking over

I reckon they'd go for it. 

 

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22 minutes ago, Dunfermline Don said:

Saw this on Facebook earlier. I am trying to remember the time when Britain won the World Cup! IMG_0886.jpg

This one's more appropriate.

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The English psyche is one of outward bravado, but they really just want to be loved. 

This is based solely on me witnessing a "lad" develop a new comraderie with Welsh folk when English fans got battered by the Russian flash mobs in 2018  (and apparently some Welsh fans helped the English).  Only for this to be shattered when videos appeared of Welsh fans celebrating when England got knocked out.

This confidence really is paper thin.

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On 27/08/2020 at 08:38, Wee Bully said:


I think this explains quite a lot, and I agree with big chunks of it.

Your lived experience of nationalism is that of English nationalism, which is a minority, and as you say “small minded and xenophobic”. As that is your lived experience, you apply your knowledge of nationalists to all who call themselves such. That is a mistake, but understandable. By your own admission, you’ve lived in England now for 40 years, and Scotland is a very different place now compared to 1980 (for instance).
 

Between times I've lived in E'burgh and Deeside.

That doesn't matter.  What hasn't changed is the outright idiocy of having a managed border at Gretna. 

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4 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

Between times I've lived in E'burgh and Deeside.

That doesn't matter.  What hasn't changed is the outright idiocy of having a managed border at Gretna. 

Who says it has to be managed? We can all be in a common travel area with Ireland, as we are now and will be after full Brexit. Just takes reasonable men and women coming to an arrangement. The EU can be very reasonable and imaginative when dealing with grown ups.

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3 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Who says it has to be managed? We can all be in a common travel area with Ireland, as we are now and will be after full Brexit. Just takes reasonable men and women coming to an arrangement. The EU can be very reasonable and imaginative when dealing with grown ups.

You Natters do.  We've seen the push for this over the past 4 months.  Plus, you have to consider the decade plus when iJock is outside of rUK and outside of the EU.

Tragic policy but not surprising.

 

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It's really only on the last 3 years most English people have cottoned onto the fact that England and UK aren't interchangeable.

I would say this would be an interesting dynamic to observe over the next 10 years but we will be gone in  the next 5.

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1 minute ago, The_Kincardine said:

You Natters do.  We've seen the push for this over the past 4 months.  Plus, you have to consider the decade plus when iJock is outside of rUK and outside of the EU.

Tragic policy but not surprising.

 

It's not in the interests of any of England, Wales, NI, Ireland, the EU or Scotland for that to happen. So it wouldn't. A two year transition arrangement would do. We already meet nearly all the EU membership criteria. Just needs an adult in No 10 doing what's best for England.

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9 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

It's not in the interests of any of England, Wales, NI, Ireland, the EU or Scotland for that to happen. So it wouldn't. A two year transition arrangement would do. We already meet nearly all the EU membership criteria. Just needs an adult in No 10 doing what's best for England.

Again, that's immaterial.

iJock faces a good few years outside of the UK and outside of the EU and with no control over its border or currency.  This will appeal to the Glengarry Brigade whose notion of ethno-nationalism may come to fruition but is utter shite for Scotland.

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4 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

Again, that's immaterial.

iJock faces a good few years outside of the UK and outside of the EU and with no control over its border or currency.  This will appeal to the Glengarry Brigade whose notion of ethno-nationalism may come to fruition but is utter shite for Scotland.

House!

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3 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

Again, that's immaterial.

iJock faces a good few years outside of the UK and outside of the EU and with no control over its border or currency.  This will appeal to the Glengarry Brigade whose notion of ethno-nationalism may come to fruition but is utter shite for Scotland.

We have no control of our borders or currency now. England is in the middle of building artificial ones between Scotland and Europe, and our monetary policies are directed to the needs of the Home Counties. 

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3 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

We have no control of our borders or currency now. England is in the middle of building artificial ones between Scotland and Europe, and our monetary policies are directed to the needs of the Home Counties. 

Again, that is utterly irrelevant since we're one political and economic entity.

The end product of independence is to shut Scotland off from its biggest trading partner, to leave it in a currency no-man's land and to place it outside of the EU.  Oh and to pull it away from its milch cow whom it suckles for £15Bn per annum.

The only people it satisfies are the daft wee tartan gonks.

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45 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

 Natters  iJock

 

 

21 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

 

iJock Glengarry Brigade  ethno-nationalism 

 

4 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

daft wee tartan gonks.

 I've no idea what you're worried about, you sound well adapted to home counties lounge bar banter. Nobody's going to force you back.

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