Bishop Briggs Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 10 hours ago, Jacksgranda said: "Project Big Picture"? "Project Selfish B******s" more like. Project Blackmail would be my description. The big clubs are saying "accept our domination plan or we will not give £250 million (funded by the abolition of parachute payments) to help the EFL survive the Covid crisis. I don't understand why Southampton, rather than Newcastle, are to be granted "special status" whatever that means. Newcastle is a much bigger club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senorsoupe Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 This whole Project Big Picture thing is such a shameless power grab attempt. It's a shame because they do have some decent ideas in the package but giving special voting powers to some teams should be a non-starter 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahemps Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Bishop Briggs said: I don't understand why Southampton, rather than Newcastle, are to be granted "special status" whatever that means. Newcastle is a much bigger club. Southampton, West Ham and Everton have been in the EPL the longest after the big 6. Should 1 of them be relegated another club would take there place. Basically they want the 9 longest serving EPL clubs to call the shots with a 2/3 majority which ultimately means as long as the big 6 want it then it will happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) What an awful plan. They're just using the difficult situation for clubs to put a gun to their heads and trying to blackmail them to get more power. Absolutely disgusting. I'm sure this will be used as a backdoor way to get B-teams into the EFL, which has to be avoided at all costs. They should stick that plan somewhere the sun doesn't shine... Can't the big 6 just form their own isolated breakaway league with the 2 Glaswegian ugly sisters? Win-win situation for the rest of the clubs in both England and Scotland. Edited October 13, 2020 by Marten 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Interestingly a quick browse of Man U and Liverpool forums, even their fans don’t seem that supportive of the idea. Liverpool fans seem to like it better, but there doesn’t seem to be much support from any fans for this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Hadn't paid a huge amount of attention but I thought it seemed reasonable...except for the voting rights part. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Hadn't paid a huge amount of attention but I thought it seemed reasonable...except for the voting rights part. Reducing the number of EPL sides and removing a cup so that the BIG SIX can play glamour friendlies is not reasonable. Looks like some EFL mugs are going to try and push it through. Football finance expert Peter Risdale https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/oct/13/efl-clubs-agree-to-put-their-support-behind-project-big-picture?CMP=share_btn_tw Risdale's record. Leeds - Newco'd, Barnsley - nearly liquidated, Cardiff - multiple winding up orders with debt of £66m, Plymouth - administration. Why is this guy even allowed to be involved in football? The article also doesn't clearly state that the "£250m transferred to the Football League" is actually a loan. And apparently they are getting rid of parachute payments with the money given directly to the EFL to distribute. Of course this money will be reduced while paying back the £250m loan. Even if some EFL idiots are going to try and push it through the lack of a safety net for the reduced size EPL will surely mean that the proposal goes in the bin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Jim McLean's Ghost said: Reducing the number of EPL sides and removing a cup so that the BIG SIX can play glamour friendlies is not reasonable. Looks like some EFL mugs are going to try and push it through. Football finance expert Peter Risdale https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/oct/13/efl-clubs-agree-to-put-their-support-behind-project-big-picture?CMP=share_btn_tw Risdale's record. Leeds - Newco'd, Barnsley - nearly liquidated, Cardiff - multiple winding up orders with debt of £66m, Plymouth - administration. Why is this guy even allowed to be involved in football? The article also doesn't clearly state that the "£250m transferred to the Football League" is actually a loan. And apparently they are getting rid of parachute payments with the money given directly to the EFL to distribute. Of course this money will be reduced while paying back the £250m loan. Even if some EFL idiots are going to try and push it through the lack of a safety net for the reduced size EPL will surely mean that the proposal goes in the bin. Scratching my head at what the problem is with the proposals- 25 percent of broadcast revenue to EFL. Funds ringfenced for football infrastructure (which should mean less money spent by the taxpayer), should guarantee the future of EFL clubs for years. Ending parachute payments may result in less kamikaze spending to get to the Barclays too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, sparky88 said: Scratching my head at what the problem is with the proposals- 25 percent of broadcast revenue to EFL. Funds ringfenced for football infrastructure (which should mean less money spent by the taxpayer), should guarantee the future of EFL clubs for years. Ending parachute payments may result in less kamikaze spending to get to the Barclays too. It the handing over voting rights to 9 (6 in reality as only 6 need agree to pass votes) clubs bit. The “big six” plus West Ham, Everton and Southampton as longest continuous members of EPL. They want to be able to vote on tv and media deals, veto new owners coming into other clubs (we’ve got our oil rich sheik but you can’t have yours type of thing), and the rescue package is apparently a loan which would have been the parachute payment money so possible needs paid back at some point (or money withheld to the value of it). Not all of the proposals seem to be that bad on their own but the Trojan horse nature of the voting rights make it unacceptable. I think the worst thing is that they’ve done this at a time when they know EFL teams are struggling badly due to Corona and are trying to use that need to take over and grab power for themselves. Sky News - Project Big Picture Edited October 14, 2020 by Jambomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 These big clubs use the bad position of smaller clubs as an excuse for a complete powergrab, they are basically holding a gun to heads. It's absolutely disgusting and immoral what they are doing. This just shows that the "big 6" don't give a sh!t about lower leagues or football in general, they only care about their own interests but act as if they're suddenly into "charity" now. This is about taking control now, next thing is stopping relegation & B-teams in the EFL and if they have full control they can push that through. Both have to be resisted at all costs. Thankfully supporters of all clubs seem to be strongly against this, including the vast majority of Liverpool & Man Utd themselves. Hopefully this disgraceful plan will be binned asap. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLights Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 I find it amazing that outside "The Big Six" + Everton that the next two clubs longest continuous member clubs are West Ham and Southampton. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Thank f*ck for that... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 16 hours ago, sparky88 said: Scratching my head at what the problem is with the proposals- 25 percent of broadcast revenue to EFL. Funds ringfenced for football infrastructure (which should mean less money spent by the taxpayer), should guarantee the future of EFL clubs for years. Ending parachute payments may result in less kamikaze spending to get to the Barclays too. There is a lack of detail about the 25%. What is it 25% of? Is it all TV revenue, that would be a HUGE increase to the EFL. Going from ~£200m per season to over ~£600m. If the EFL were really getting that much additional money they wouldn't need a loan. http://priceoffootball.com/tag/broadcast-income/ Read this and you can see how the EPL changed their rules to reduce their solidarity payments to the EFL. Instead this 25% takes in the current EFL tv deal (the EPL gain the EFL broadcast rights in perpituity), all parachute and solidarity payments which totals around £400m per season. 25% still looks a generous boost ~£600m instead of ~£400m per season right? But what if it wasn't 25% of all the money. Currently the EPL has 3 pots of money. Equal shareed money that is the basis for current payments to the EFL, Merit money based on league position TV match fees Project Big Picture is scrapping pot 1 and having payments based only on merit. So the EFL's 25% will come out that pot but I assume they would not get to touch the TV match fees pot. And the BIG SIX would be free to move more and more money into TV match fees and out of shared pots in the future. Suddenly the EFL pot starts to shrink back to where it was 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLights Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Dead in the water... for the time being. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54545053 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Sham Bo Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54558837 I'm struggling to see why Denise Lewis has suddenly become a 'key figure' in the future of English football. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 50 minutes ago, Ro Sham Bo said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54558837 I'm struggling to see why Denise Lewis has suddenly become a 'key figure' in the future of English football. Alex Scott was busy -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 A really good example of Liverpool completely exploiting a weakness of Everton's. Almost happened again with the 2 v 1 on Coleman. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Pickford you fucking moron. Dead man walking. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Pickford should be sent off for that challenge on Van Dijk. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 How is he not sent off there [emoji23] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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