COVID-19 In Scottish Football 2020/2021

[Szamo's_Ammo 6,700]

If come the end of the season Hamilton stay up due to the award of these 3 points from the SPFL and St Mirren, for example, go down it would seem incredibly harsh on the Buddies.

But it would be really, really funny.

[Steve_Wilkos 1,115]

Me in shock when the big 2 Lanarkshire clubs benefit AGAIN:

[kingjoey 3,721]

I must start by saying that I don’t think that any team should be given three points, or lose three points, for a match that isn’t played. All the postponed matches should be played, if physically possible. However, there are people on here spouting pish about Celtic, Rangers and Aberdeen.

Aberdeen have not had any matches postponed due to not being able or willing to play.

Celtic have not had any matches postponed due to not being able or willing to play.

Rangers have not had any matches postponed.

Kilmarnock and St Mirren fans will no doubt jump on any team in the future that are found to be in breach of the SPFL Covid regulations, and quite rightly, but providing there are no matches postponed because of it, no team is going to lose a game in those circumstances. 

Like others I can’t quite get my head round why players are allowed to pile on each other at goal celebrations, but they’re not allowed to have a shower, and have to socially distance at meals and on buses.

The SPFL has made a rod for their own back here, because if either Celtic or Rangers have a match or matches postponed due to Covid rule breaches, they will have no option, regardless of what anyone on here says, but to give them a 3.0 defeat. Now that would be interesting.

 

[Theatom 27]

The thing is though Rangers and Celtic have such big pools of players they are unlikely to have to postpone.

[kingjoey 3,721]

1 hour ago, superkillieaway said:

What this is basically going to lead to is that any accusations towards other clubs will be completely denied, no matter what. Lie Lie Lie (potentially what celtic done when they had no clue Bolingoli was in Spain).

Admitting to any wrongdoing was the clubs biggest fault here.

 

 

 

 

At the same time Kilmarnock were admitting to the SPFL that they had breached the regulations, Alex Dyer was saying in public that they had done nothing wrong.

[craigkillie 14,762]

3 minutes ago, kingjoey said:

I must start by saying that I don’t think that any team should be given three points, or lose three points, for a match that isn’t played. All the postponed matches should be played, if physically possible. However, there are people on here spouting pish about Celtic, Rangers and Aberdeen.

Aberdeen have not had any matches postponed due to not being able or willing to play.

Celtic have not had any matches postponed due to not being able or willing to play.

Rangers have not had any matches postponed.

Kilmarnock and St Mirren fans will no doubt jump on any team in the future that are found to be in breach of the SPFL Covid regulations, and quite rightly, but providing there are no matches postponed because of it, no team is going to lose a game in those circumstances. 

Like others I can’t quite get my head round why players are allowed to pile on each other at goal celebrations, but they’re not allowed to have a shower, and have to socially distance at meals and on buses.

The SPFL has made a rod for their own back here, because if either Celtic or Rangers have a match or matches postponed due to Covid rule breaches, they will have no option, regardless of what anyone on here says, but to give them a 3.0 defeat. Now that would be interesting.

 

 

The only difference between the Aberdeen and Celtic cases and the Killie case is that it was a different public body who decided that the fixtures couldn't go ahead. In the former two cases it was the Scottish Government directly, in the latter case it was NHS Ayrshire and Arran. The ultimate outcome was identical.

[kingjoey 3,721]

3 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

 

The only difference between the Aberdeen and Celtic cases and the Killie case is that it was a different public body who decided that the fixtures couldn't go ahead. In the former two cases it was the Scottish Government directly, in the latter case it was NHS Ayrshire and Arran. The ultimate outcome was identical.

It wasn’t really. Kilmarnock didn’t have enough players to allow the game to go ahead, Aberdeen did.

[Horatio 1]

I'm disappointed, but not surprised, at the SPFL's ruling today. They were going to find Kilmarnock and St Mirren guilty of something,. A number of other clubs will be thinking "there but for the grace of God go I" about their protocols.

By the way good point by the last poster about players piling on top of each other at goal celebrations!

I understand that Blair sat on the so-called "independent" tribunal. Scottish football will be a better place when he retires later this season. As for Doncaster? His time as a "shield" for the SPFL board must be about up. 

Anyway, now precedent has been set.......

 

[craigkillie 14,762]

Just now, kingjoey said:

It wasn’t really. Kilmarnock didn’t have enough players to allow the game to go ahead, Aberdeen did.

Kilmarnock had fit and healthy players who were told they couldn't play for public health reasons. Aberdeen had fit and healthy players who were told they couldn't play for public health reasons.

[Mr Heliums 1,012]

1 minute ago, kingjoey said:

It wasn’t really. Kilmarnock didn’t have enough players to allow the game to go ahead, Aberdeen did.

Aberdeen arguably benefited from the postponement though. Didn't the players who would otherwise having been isolating play the rearranged game?

[Sortmeout 509]

Whilst I’m not too happy about it from our side I have to say if this leads to Hamilton’s survival and St Mirren going down then it’s a price worth paying.

[G51 2,665]

33 minutes ago, Szamo's_Ammo said:

If come the end of the season Hamilton stay up due to the award of these 3 points from the SPFL and St Mirren, for example, go down it would seem incredibly harsh on the Buddies.

But it would be really, really funny.

Would be yet another example of the football gods favouring Hamilton Academical.

[Detournement 2,112]

1 minute ago, craigkillie said:

Kilmarnock had fit and healthy players who were told they couldn't play for public health reasons. Aberdeen had fit and healthy players who were told they couldn't play for public health reasons.

Kilmarnock's entire squad was in isolation due to social distancing failures.

Aberdeen had enough players who weren't isolating to fulfill the fuxture but were not allowed to play in the fuxture because of Sturgeon grandstanding. 

 

[AndyDD 624]

3 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

 

The only difference between the Aberdeen and Celtic cases and the Killie case is that it was a different public body who decided that the fixtures couldn't go ahead. In the former two cases it was the Scottish Government directly, in the latter case it was NHS Ayrshire and Arran. The ultimate outcome was identical.

The fact that Celtic and Aberdeen were found not to have breached any of the SPFL guidelines themselves, whereas Killie and St Mirren have, would constitute a fairly significant difference. Indeed, the fact remains that Celtic and Aberdeen could have fielded a team had they been allowed to, whereas Kilmarnock and St Mirren could not? 

The suggestion that there's a fine margin between this case and the cases of the players being dafties in their own spare time is for the birds. This is breaches by the clubs, contravention of, or the outright ignoring of, rules they had signed up to. The prior cases were quite pointedly NOT that. 

You'd still like to think that a different punishment could have been found. It should have been more severe than that which was meted out to Aberdeen and Celtic, but did it have to be this one? Maybe the clubs would rather this than a substantial fine, in the current financial climate... surely not. 

[Detournement 2,112]

Also if anyone believes that Kilmarnock's entire squad stayed home for two weeks then beat Livi the next day they are probably leaving a snack out for Santa and the reindeer in three weeks....

[parsforlife 2,465]

On another point,  who do I need to contact to grass in hearts for their players walking as a group back to their cars after their game vs us?   Are we potentially having clubs closely watching opponents warming up making sure distancing isn’t breached where not needed?  

[Mr Heliums 1,012]

1 minute ago, Detournement said:

Aberdeen had enough players who weren't isolating to fulfill the fuxture but were not allowed to play in the fuxture because of Sturgeon grandstanding. 

Or a 'flagrant breach of COVID guidelines'. Whichever.

[craigkillie 14,762]

1 minute ago, Detournement said:

Kilmarnock's entire squad was in isolation due to social distancing failures.

Aberdeen had enough players who weren't isolating to fulfill the fuxture but were not allowed to play in the fuxture because of Sturgeon grandstanding. 

 

The reason the Scottish government asked for the fixture to be postponed was to prevent the risk of further spread of the disease to other players. This is also the reason why our players were asked to self-isolate.

[craigkillie 14,762]

1 minute ago, Detournement said:

Also if anyone believes that Kilmarnock's entire squad stayed home for two weeks then beat Livi the next day they are probably leaving a snack out for Santa and the reindeer in three weeks....

Our entire squad definitely didn't stay at home until the day before that Livingston game given that several of them played in a game against Dunfermline a few days earlier.

Edited December 3, 2020 by craigkillie

[AndyDD 624]

4 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

Kilmarnock had fit and healthy players who were told they couldn't play for public health reasons. Aberdeen had fit and healthy players who were told they couldn't play for public health reasons.

Kilmarnock had too many players self isolating to be able to play the match. Aberdeen did not have too many players self isolating to be able to fulfill the matches. 

Kilmarnock as a club have been found to have failed to adhere to rules they agreed to adhere to. Aberdeen as a club successfully adhered to them. 

Apple, meet orange.