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1 minute ago, Steven W said:

The point I'm making is that both teams have had breaches before. They may well again. And they may well lead to postponed fixtures. Which would mean the SPFL needing to treat their beloved twins in the same way. Or not, as is far more likely.

There's no need to make it about them though.

They've set a dangerous precedent today as this almost certainly will happen again.

I don't know exactly what their investigation has found but forfeiting games seems incredibly harsh.

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The SPFL's argument for harsher punishments for St Mirren and Killie appears to be that both clubs were responsible for the players when the breaches of the rules happened, i.e. the players were working at the time. The SPFL then goes on to say that these breaches "factually" led to COVID outbreaks at both clubs, which is an almost impossible thing to prove.

The reason Aberdeen and Celtic got off lightly is that these breaches didn't happen while the players were actually working.

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Have I missed the glaring point here, why can't the games just be played at a later date?  Like when their postponed due to the weather.

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Just now, G51 said:

The SPFL's argument for harsher punishments for St Mirren and Killie appears to be that both clubs were responsible for the players when the breaches of the rules happened, i.e. the players were working at the time. The SPFL then goes on to say that these breaches "factually" led to COVID outbreaks at both clubs, which is an almost impossible thing to prove.

The reason Aberdeen and Celtic got off lightly is that these breaches didn't happen while the players were actually working.

Did the SPFL say that! That's mental. 

Jason Leitch said on the radio at the weekend that as the virus has up to a ten day incubation period, it's impossible to know where its came from.

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Thoughts and prayers with St Mirren fans in this difficult time; being arbitration arbitrarily punished for circumstances outwith their control. 

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1 minute ago, SEETHING said:

Thoughts and prayers with St Mirren fans in this difficult time; being arbitration arbitrarily punished for circumstances outwith their control. 

Are we still pretending being bottom of the league is outwith your control?

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6 minutes ago, G51 said:

The reason Aberdeen and Celtic got off lightly is that these breaches didn't happen while the players were actually working.

At the risk of treading old ground.....that actually makes it 10x worse!

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Good news for Motherwell,  not so good for St Mirren and Killie.

 

We'll need to be careful here, can't afford any points being deducted. 

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2 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

Have I missed the glaring point here, why can't the games just be played at a later date?  Like when their postponed due to the weather.

I agree .. this way Motherwell and Hamilton gain at the expense of the whole league. Would it not been fairer to deduct the 3 points as punishment to Saints  and Killie but play the games later.

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1 minute ago, Dons_1988 said:

Are we still pretending being bottom of the league is outwith your control?

It was outwith my personal control, yes. HMFC bafflingly went with Joel Pereira in goals instead. 

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4 minutes ago, G51 said:

The SPFL's argument for harsher punishments for St Mirren and Killie appears to be that both clubs were responsible for the players when the breaches of the rules happened, i.e. the players were working at the time. The SPFL then goes on to say that these breaches "factually" led to COVID outbreaks at both clubs, which is an almost impossible thing to prove.

The reason Aberdeen and Celtic got off lightly is that these breaches didn't happen while the players were actually working.

Not quite. They've left themself just enough wriggle room:

The overarching principle was to ensure that there was created a low risk of transmission of the virus, but it is factually clear that the virus did transmit between players in the club. The club failed to ensure that transmission risk was as low as it could be.

So what they're saying is factually there were outbreaks, and in panel's view a failure to minimise risk (to avoid them) makes them sanctionable.

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2 minutes ago, killiedeza said:

How does sitting close to each other for a meal or a coach compare to the dressing room celebrations after the Scotland qualification game!!!

 

Aye, that's a good point. This will probably be explained as SFA/spfl tho...

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Just now, HibeeJibee said:

Not quite. They've left themself just enough wriggle room:

The overarching principle was to ensure that there was created a low risk of transmission of the virus, but it is factually clear that the virus did transmit between players in the club. The club failed to ensure that transmission risk was as low as it could be.

So what they're saying is factually there were outbreaks, and in panel's view a failure to minimise risk (to avoid them) makes them sanctionable.

Spoken like a true lawyer, sir.

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It’s a a very poor decision. In fact no matter what the breach forfeits don’t make sense in a league structure.

The evidence seems pretty damming and the spfl can justify harsher punishments than Celtic/Aberdeen given these are full club breaches and not individual players.   

The fines should have been the immediate punishment with suspended point deductions if further breaches.  Games still get played.  Still a firm decision but fair in the consequences for the rest of the league.

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2 minutes ago, G51 said:

Spoken like a true lawyer, sir.

Raises an interesting spin-off though... shouldn't they sanction anyone "failing to minimise risk" even when they do not "factually" suffer a postponement-causing outbreak?

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Just now, HibeeJibee said:

Raises an interesting spin-off though... shouldn't they sanction anyone "failing to minimise risk" even when they do not "factually" suffer a postponement-causing outbreak?

This is the problem in general. It feels like Covid issues (whether sanctions against clubs or players testing positive/having to self isolate) is a total lottery and does compromise the integrity of the league slightly.

I suppose we just have to accept it for one season that it'll be like this.

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What this is basically going to lead to is that any accusations towards other clubs will be completely denied, no matter what. Lie Lie Lie (potentially what celtic done when they had no clue Bolingoli was in Spain).

Admitting to any wrongdoing was the clubs biggest fault here.

 

 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said:

Pretty 'draconian'.

Basically seems they're saying Killie and St Mirren were egregiously irresponsible in not observing distancing rules on buses at meals and in training while running under the Premiership's special protocols/testing/bubbles/etc.

https://spfl.co.uk/news/kilmarnock-fc-and-st-mirren-fc-disciplinary-outc

Kilmarnock admitted a number of breaches of the SPFL’s Covid-19 Regulations. These admitted breaches involved the seating arrangements on the coach and at the pre-match meal for an away game. In both cases it was admitted by the club that there was a failure to observe physical distancing.

It seems like this essentially boils down to us following the Scottish government's 1m distancing rather than the SPFL mandated 2m.

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