LincolnHearts Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 I hope Mr Lawwell is on the phone to Nicola, trying to line up a few glamour friendlies. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Is Saturday's game off? Because that would be delightful. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Bolingoli and others at Celtic have tested negative twice in the last week, going by reports in the media. If their games are being called off because they are viewed as a risk, Kilmarnocks matches also have to be called off for the same reason. Postponing the match isn't really a punishment. It's a minor inconvenience. A significant fine, a points deduction, or making them play without all players who are now isolating would be akin to punishment.IMO the Celtic and Aberdeen games are being postponed as a punishment rather than to limit the risk. If they’ve all tested negative then it’s not really a hightened risk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 So for anyone who watched the briefing I have a question. FM mentioned it's now a yellow card and the next one is a red. Is she talking about any new examples of folk being dicks or any in general for example another player had a bad breach of the rules a week ago? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghPar1975 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 FWIW i reckon the players need to be fined/ suspended by the clubs. There must have been pretty strong agreements on what can happen to allow the games to be played and they look to have just blown it away. The clubs themselves should have a sanction in place given they should be managing their staff more effectively - suspended points deduction for first offence and actioned on the second? Forfeiting the points if it's their players who cause the cancelation? The SGs stance may seem a bit OTT but their probably looking at football as one way to help folks follow an example. The Aberdeen players were daft and probably broke their own clubs/ SPFL guidline's about group meeting and socialising in public but the Bolingoli one is a bit special - i don't expect clubs to keep tabs on players 24/7 normally but when there is such focus on behaviour its amazing that he thought what he did was ok...it's more than an 'error of judgement' as i think he called it... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: Daft analogy. If you refuse to direct your car from the major incident, then you are committing a crime. If you know a major incident has occurred, but take it upon yourself to try and use the route regardless, then you are committing a crime. On what grounds would a public prosecution be made for the above two not analagous at all btw scenarios? Be a bit more specific than you were when ducking the question of how many people in Scotland have been charged for meeting people from more than four households per day. Quote If there is a law that says "don't use this road", but you proceed to use it anyway, then you are committing a crime. Great point, because there isn't such a law that says 'don't meet people from more than four households per day' and so no crime has in fact been committed. Thanks for just completely vindicating my argument, chump. Quote People are being told not to gather in large crowds containing people beyond 4 different households. When they refuse to abide by that, they're breaking the law. Just because it's a difficult law to enforce, doesn't prevent it from being a crime. No they're not. Only if a police officer directly engages with them, instructs them to break up their meeting and the group in question flatly ignore this response and resist instruction do they begin to cross the bounds into 'breaking the law' and committing a crime (typically under the bullshit 'do as the police tell you or we just say that you're causing a problem' get-out clause provided by BOTP). The actual act of being in a group of more than four households itself is not a crime and breaks no laws, so take your hysterical, Helen Lovejoy moralising about it elsewhere. Edited August 11, 2020 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 4 hours ago, Lex said: We’re less than two weeks into the season and we’ve already had two known breaches of COVID-19 regulations by Scottish Premiership footballers. The actual breaches will be much higher of course, we just won’t know about the rest. Haven't got through all the posts, but the first known violation, which seems to have had a low profile response from the media, involved the Murray Park match between a Sevco 11 and Dundee United. The SFA put it all down to a misunderstanding after what I assume was an exhaustive investigation, thus setting a tone. Football players, clubs, the SFA and SPFL showing themselves up as detached from reality. What will come to light next? I'm going for fried bat fritters being sold at Victoria Park Dingwall. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Just read the Aberdeen players statement again there. I’m absolutely pissing myself at the fact that there’s someone under the age of 60 called Bruce. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Donathan said: IMO the Celtic and Aberdeen games are being postponed as a punishment rather than to limit the risk. If they’ve all tested negative then it’s not really a hightened risk If that is the case then the league need to confirm so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 The micro management of football is a stark contrast to the hands off approach to the care sector. This is just easy headlines for Sturgeon. How many care homes did she close when people were dropping like flies? -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Donathan said: IMO the Celtic and Aberdeen games are being postponed as a punishment rather than to limit the risk. If they’ve all tested negative then it’s not really a hightened risk There was a decent scientific basis to not hold St Johnstone Aberdeen due to the Covid situation in Aberdeen and the positive tests within the Aberdeen squad. Any other postponement is virtue signaling. And not in line with other Govt policies on self isolatiing and testing. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Detournement said: How many care homes did she close when people were dropping like flies? That makes absolutely no sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 1 minute ago, virginton said: On what grounds would a public prosecution be made for the above two not analagous at all btw scenarios? Be a bit more specific than you were when ducking the question of how many people in Scotland have been charged for meeting people from more than four households per day. Great point, because there isn't such a law that says 'don't meet people from more than four households per day' and so no crime has in fact been committed. Thanks for just completely vindicating my argument, chump. No they're not. Only if a police officer directly engages with them, instructs them to break up their meeting and the group in question flatly ignore this response and resist instruction do they begin to cross the bounds into 'breaking the law' and committing a crime (typically under the bullshit 'do as the police tell you or we just say that you're causing a problem' get-out clause provided by BOTP. The actual act of being in a group of more than four households itself is not a crime and breaks no laws, so take your hysterical, Helen Lovejoy moralising about it elsewhere. As i've already stated, not all crimes are prosecuted, but they're still crimes. If a person isn't committing a crime, then the police officer would have no reason to directly engage with them or instruct them to do anything. Why is this so difficult for you? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: Is Saturday's game off? Because that would be delightful. Considne serving the longest suspension in history 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Dundee Hibernian said: Haven't got through all the posts, but the first known violation, which seems to have had a low profile response from the media, involved the Murray Park match between a Sevco 11 and Dundee United. The SFA put it all down to a misunderstanding after what I assume was an exhaustive investigation, thus setting a tone. Football players, clubs, the SFA and SPFL showing themselves up as detached from reality. What will come to light next? I'm going for fried bat fritters being sold at Victoria Park Dingwall. Detached from what reality exactly? There are people going to busy pubs on a Saturday night up and down the country right now. There are people meeting in groups of more than four households all over the place right now. There are also people who should have adhered to even the most risible 'self-isolation' guidance as given by the government on returning from Spain for two weeks but just haven't bothered. What you're seeing in Scottish footballers is to a large degree a reflection of attitudes within society as a whole. Just because the SG put some ridiculous protocol together to let the sport restart in the event of a continued shutdown does not mean that they should be held to any higher degree of moral accountability than anyone else in the current climate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: So for anyone who watched the briefing I have a question. FM mentioned it's now a yellow card and the next one is a red. Is she talking about any new examples of folk being dicks or any in general for example another player had a bad breach of the rules a week ago? Line has been drawn, no new breaches to be tolerated 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Detournement said: The micro management of football is a stark contrast to the hands off approach to the care sector. This is just easy headlines for Sturgeon. How many care homes did she close when people were dropping like flies? None I would hope. Seeing as government doesn't hold the power to instantly shut down private businesses without dragging them through the courts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 1 minute ago, BawWatchin said: As i've already stated, not all crimes are prosecuted, but they're still crimes. Why is this so difficult for you? Dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge! Quote If a person isn't committing a crime, then the police officer would have no reason to directly engage with them or instruct them to do anything. lol wut Spoken as if you've never actually left the house in your life m8. An absolute classic of the boot-licking format right there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betting competition Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: Is Saturday's game off? Because that would be delightful. SPFL have issued a 3-0 forfeit loss Edited August 11, 2020 by betting competition 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 51 minutes ago, Detournement said: There have been thousands of tests of footballers and only a couple of positive tests. There is no problem with football unless you are an alarmist mug. Absolutely correct. When did anyone last die of this virus of working age who is reasonably fit? Loads of folks die every day of cancer, stroke heart disease , dementia - you name it. The UK deaths in the last few weeks are less than the average. Time we realised we are being taken for mugs. Mind you, football players and fans will believe anything that’s put to them and follow like muzzled zombies. -8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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