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15 hours ago, craigkillie said:

Can you remind me of the last time a team forfeited a fixture due to having players unavailable through illness?

I recall a Dunfermline vSt.Mirren game being called off in Tom Hendries day because the saints team were all ill. The game was played a couple of months later . There were no sanctions. I'm sure there are many other similar cases so why is it so different this season

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30 minutes ago, NorthBank said:

Goodness me you are bitter. Unlike you though I won't give you a red dot for expressing an opinion.

We are not talking about Cups. Has there ever been a League game suffer a forfeit for 'not being able to fulfil a fixture' due to illness. Maybe you could tell us when.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-covid-forfeit-plans-rejected-22947400

If cup games can be forfeited due to Covid then league games can be as well. There is no distinction between the two. Your failure to explain what actions Saint Mirren did to address this burning injustice of a sanction prior to losing a game to Covid - after your 17th outbreak at the club - tells us all that we need to know.

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30 minutes ago, virginton said:

If cup games can be forfeited due to Covid then league games can be as well. There is no distinction between the two.

I'm not sure that's correct - the cup has its own rules, and it wasn't it explicitly stated before the cup comp started that forfeits were in action in the event of teams pulling out through Covid? (That's a genuine question, btw.) In addition, our forfeiture has arrived as a result of both being unable to field a team and breaking the rules. It seems if you break the rules, or can't field a team, in the league then it doesn't matter, as long it's not both.

In the league cup, the 'breaking the rules' aspect didn't apply, it was a straightforward loss of the game if you couldn't put a team out. So there is a distinction.

 

Simplest thing the league could have done was to announce, in advance, the same rule for all games... but they didn't. That would certainly have affected Celtic and Aberdeen in those early postponements. And at least it'd have left us with a vague chance of getting the season finished before June.

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Thats UEFA changing the terms and conditions on the Euro finals tickets today so even pre sold tickets may be returned if capacity is reduced or as expected the whole thing is behind closed doors

https://support.tickets-euro2020.uefa.com/hc/en-us/articles/360018894819-Changes-to-the-Terms-Conditions-Refund-Policy-and-Privacy-Notification

  • Reduction of stadium capacity: the Refund Policy now covers situations in which a reduction of stadium capacity may occur, after the sales of tickets have taken place. If UEFA notifies the ticket buyer that their tickets are not valid following a reduction of stadium capacity, the ticket buyer will receive a refund of an amount equal to the face value of the ticket(s).

  • Match played behind closed doors: the Refund Policy now covers situations in which a match may be played behind closed doors (i.e.: spectators are not permitted to attend the match), after the sales of tickets have taken place. If UEFA notifies the ticket buyer that their tickets are not valid due to the match being played behind closed doors, the ticket buyer will receive a refund of an amount equal to the face value of the ticket(s).  

 

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4 hours ago, Lex said:

Yep St Johnstone and County would be the biggest losers because of St Mirren and Killie breaching the COVID rules. Madness.

 

We've already "lost out" due to Covid breaches elsewhere, after being forced to play a stronger Aberdeen side than we shouldve due to them going to the pub and the original game getting rearranged.

We're probably also going to end up with our Semi-Final getting rearranged due to Celtic going to Dubai.

Feels like an absolute NAP the worst case scenario for us here comes to pass.

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8 hours ago, welldaft said:

That is as maybe but we have been dicked about as much as any one at the moment. No one seem to acknowledge that at all. The shambolic SPFL taking the points back and announcing it the morning of a game. You could not make that up. 

If the games were ordered to be replayed originally no Well fans nor the club would have probably cared much. Just got on with it. We were in a much better state back then and had just won 2 league games back to back iirc. 

We could end up playing St Mirren with Brophy scoring a winning goal when he was not even part of the squad back then. Is that sporting integrity?

Regardless the outcome it has dragged on for far too long and you will be left with 2 teams unhappy with whichever outcome ! Well don SPFL....

Presumably the outcome will be announced just prior to Saturday’s games.

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1 minute ago, Coventry Saint said:

Naw, the decision to give you the points will be made tomorrow. They're waiting till 2.55 on Saturday to say "naw, just kidding, lol."

They will give the outstanding points to Celtic given their gracious apology, they have been hurt the worst.

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Neil Doncaster has refused to rule out declaring the season ‘null and void’ if coronavirus restrictions grind the Scottish game back to a halt.

The SPFL chief executive dropped the bombshell admission during an exclusive Q&A with Record Sport as he fronted up the mayhem that’s been caused by Celtic’s controversial winter trip to Dubai.

Doncaster dismissed calls to scratch last season from the record books without awarding titles and promotion as ‘never a realistic possibility’.

The campaign ended in chaos with Celtic crowned top flight champions and Hearts being relegated despite the campaign being curtailed by the coronavirus crisis.

Now, with Rangers sitting 21 points clear at the top of the table and on the verge of claiming a first title in 10 years, Doncaster has refused to rule out the null and void option.

He said: “No one has a crystal ball but certainly if we carry on as we are then we’ve got a very good chance of completing the Premiership and Championship seasons.

"If the games can’t be completed and we end up where we were in March 2020 then clearly it’s going to be a very difficult situation.

“You’ve got to bear in mind over 75 per cent of games had been played in all four divisions of the SPFL when the season was curtailed.

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"We certainly hope we will complete 100 per cent of the fixtures in all four divisions this season. It will be for the members to determine what happens in the event they are not.

“In the event the games couldn’t be played, then once again the members might have a decision to make.

“I’ve never ruled out anything. It’s up to the members to rule things in or out.

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"We are a members organisation and the members want to retain the power to decide whether the season should be curtailed or not rather than give it to the board.

“The consequences of a void season are much more dramatic, partly because of the commercial contracts which underpin the game but at the moment there is no reason to believe the Premiership and Championship won’t be completed.”

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Literally the only takeaway from that is by leaking it to Keith Jackson, Celtic have effectively conceded the league title on the 14th January. In the most important season in their history, according to their own supporters.

Glorious.

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The headline and intro of that story bear so little resemblance to the actual quotes it's fucking laughable.

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He said: “No one has a crystal ball but certainly if we carry on as we are then we’ve got a very good chance of completing the Premiership and Championship seasons.

Yes, that's quite the 'bombshell' he's dropped there. FFS.

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14 minutes ago, Drew Brees said:

Neil Doncaster has refused to rule out declaring the season ‘null and void’ if coronavirus restrictions grind the Scottish game back to a halt.

What a waste of space of an article.

For as much as a joke Doncaster is,  he’s absolutely right to say he can’t rule out anything,  it’s not his job to say so.  Nothing more than a “journalist” writing an article and then asking a question that can only have an answer that they can quote to justify what has already been written.

 

 

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I remember in the covid thread from about 9 months ago a fair few comments along the lines of "this is unforseeable circumstances, you can't blame the spfl for not having detailed rules on how to deal with it" and further comments along the lines of there would now be the opportunity to put clear rules in place should similar occur, and at least everyone would know where they stood beforehand.

The comment was frequently made in jest that knowing the spfl, they'll probably not even manage to get it sorted and we'll end up going through the same drama if the season gets curtailed early again.

How we laughed.

 

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11 minutes ago, PauloPerth said:

I remember in the covid thread from about 9 months ago a fair few comments along the lines of "this is unforseeable circumstances, you can't blame the spfl for not having detailed rules on how to deal with it" and further comments along the lines of there would now be the opportunity to put clear rules in place should similar occur, and at least everyone would know where they stood beforehand.

The comment was frequently made in jest that knowing the spfl, they'll probably not even manage to get it sorted and we'll end up going through the same drama if the season gets curtailed early again.

How we laughed.

 

Did the SPFL Board not put a motion to clubs after the pain of closing last season, that would give them the power to call a season if Covid (or other extreme scenarios) demanded it?  and the clubs knocked it back? It would be yet another club vote.

Can clubs vote Hearts relegated and refused promotion in the space of less than 12 months?

jack nicholson laugh GIF

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