bennett Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Do you think Hearts should have been the only over 18 non Premiership team in the country allowed to train? I was under the impression that all championship clubs were offered the chance to resume training, it's hardly hearts fault that the other clubs refused the offer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, bennett said: I was under the impression that all championship clubs were offered the chance to resume training, it's hardly hearts fault that the other clubs refused the offer. Most of them were going to start on Monday. Training's banned till the 24th, I don't see why Hearts should be treated as a special case just because they were training last week. Edited August 15, 2020 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 37 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Do you think Hearts should have been the only over 18 non Premiership team in the country allowed to train? No it's the whole decision that's a nonsense. It did seem to be the Scottish government view we could continue training though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 1 hour ago, MacDonald Jardine said: Yes. And your point is? My point is what I wrote in my first text to you when you then said that you didn’t post what you actually posted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 My point is what I wrote in my first text to you when you then said that you didn’t post what you actually posted.I haven't said that at all.To be clear the government asked the football authorities to present a plan for football continuing safely.That plan involved only premiership clubs being allowed to play or train. The purpose is clear: keep the premiership going and to hell with the rest.That includes amateur clubs, who are governed by the SFA but not the SPFL. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 12 minutes ago, MacDonald Jardine said: I haven't said that at all. To be clear the government asked the football authorities to present a plan for football continuing safely. That plan involved only premiership clubs being allowed to play or train. The purpose is clear: keep the premiership going and to hell with the rest. That includes amateur clubs, who are governed by the SFA but not the SPFL. It's a lot harder to find a elite bubble for football to be played in the lower league. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 It's a lot harder to find a elite bubble for football to be played in the lower league.Granted but not impossible for all.Are we always to be driven by the lowest common denominator? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 1 minute ago, MacDonald Jardine said: Granted but not impossible for all. Are we always to be driven by the lowest common denominator? Hearts find themselves in a league with part time players that will have other jobs which means the bubble would need to be wider. Plus the track and trace for players will be harder to follow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 Hearts find themselves in a league with part time players that will have other jobs which means the bubble would need to be wider. Plus the track and trace for players will be harder to follow.I said not impossible for all. Should Hearts go part time to avoid any unfair advantage? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, MacDonald Jardine said: I said not impossible for all. Should Hearts go part time to avoid any unfair advantage? For me it's about getting things in place for the lower leagues, it makes no difference to hearts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 20 hours ago, MacDonald Jardine said: We really aren't. The SFA has done most of the country no favours at all to keep the "elite" playing at any cost. Here is the original post you made, word for word. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, MacDonald Jardine said: No it's the whole decision that's a nonsense. It did seem to be the Scottish government view we could continue training though. There have been a succession of players and ex-players on the air waves defending the Aberdeen players on the basis that the rules are too complicated for them to understand. Under pressure from the Scottish Government the SPFL have ordered a pause in training for leagues that don't have any games to play for a couple of months to ensure that everybody understands them, and procedures are in place. It's not the end of the world for Hearts or any of the other over 18 teams that have started training. It's a fair question to ask why they didn't put a pause on the Premiership whose clubs and players caused it, but, in a not ideal world, Sky money comes into play, and the limited time they have available to play the games they're under contract to provide. Edited August 15, 2020 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 Here is the original post you made, word for word.Yes. I'm struggling to see where I denied saying that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 For me it's about getting things in place for the lower leagues, it makes no difference to hearts.Disrupting planned pre season training that was fairly expensive to arrange makes no difference? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 There have been a succession of players and ex-players on the air waves defending the Aberdeen players on the basis that the rules are too complicated for them to understand. Under pressure from the Scottish Government the SPFL have ordered a pause in training for leagues that don't have any games to play for a couple of months to ensure that everybody understands them, and procedures are in place. It's not the end of the world for Hearts or any of the other over 18 teams that have started training. It's a fair question to ask why they didn't put a pause on the Premiership whose clubs and players caused it, but, in a not ideal world, Sky money comes into play, and the limited time they have available to play the games they're under contract to provide.I don't actually disagree with a lot of that.I don't think the rules were as complicated as some have suggested though, and the SPFL and SFA have clearly panicked. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessmagic Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 (edited) The smaller teams, in the lower leagues i.e. Hearts need to to their bit to ensure that elite top level football can continue. If this means they need to stop training then so be it. Edited August 15, 2020 by jessmagic 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 The smaller teams in the lower leagues i.e. Hearts need to to their bit to ensure that elite top level football can continue. If this means they need to stop training then so be it. Yes very good. We're hardly one of the smaller teams in the lower leagues. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 34 minutes ago, MacDonald Jardine said: 2 hours ago, wastecoatwilly said: For me it's about getting things in place for the lower leagues, it makes no difference to hearts. Disrupting planned pre season training that was fairly expensive to arrange makes no difference? It's only a week you are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 5 hours ago, welshbairn said: Most of them were going to start on Monday. Training's banned till the 24th, I don't see why Hearts should be treated as a special case just because they were training last week. If they have been training already and have the steps in place to meet the SPFL’s COVID-19 protocols they’ve set out then it does seem a nonsense decision. The same applies to any club that are able to adhere to these policies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 It's only a week you are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.No it will be reviewed in a week which isn't the same thing at all.That's plenty time for one of your thick/ selfish cretins to really f**k up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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