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Oh well didn't see that coming Lennox and Fleming re-signing for the next campaign.A honestly thought after the Airdrie game we wouldn't see Lennox in a Montrose shirt again.
Would have kept 1 of them and tried to strengthen in that position but will just have to make do not the end of the world.
Now let's try and Get Cammy Ballantyne over the line, cracking player if we have to push the boat out a bit to keep him we 100% have too rather than lose him.

Retaining both keepers seems a strange decision to me as neither has inspired much confidence over the season. Hopefully, SP has a cunning plan. I assume Cammy and Rusty must have other offers under consideration which raises the concern that one or both may well end up leaving. Not sure how I feel about who we’ve got signed up other than we desperately need a bit of extra pace and nous up top.
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Cammy is a must to sign up if not we are looking for a RB to replace him which will be very hard.Have to say I'm not overly fussed if rusty signs up again.Has come onto a game last couple weeks before the season ended but still doesn't do enough for me.

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Would have been more than happy for Fleming to sign up again as a backup but wouldn't have liked either of them as first choice. I have probably been more critical than most about Rusty Baws but I'd love him to stay although not as out first choice striker. Would be more than happy for Aaron Lennox to be sent to Brechin or something, he's probably a nice guy but not a very good goalkeeper.

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11 hours ago, Aidan said:

Would have been more than happy for Fleming to sign up again as a backup but wouldn't have liked either of them as first choice. I have probably been more critical than most about Rusty Baws but I'd love him to stay although not as out first choice striker. Would be more than happy for Aaron Lennox to be sent to Brechin or something, he's probably a nice guy but not a very good goalkeeper.

I feel people have been harsh on Lennox. It was an absolute clanger in injury time against Airdrie but I don't think he was solely responsible for the Mo's second half performance in that game. It was clear that Montrose eased off or Airdrie stepped up and in all probability a bit of both, which allowed the Mo's 2-0 lead to be squandered. Airdrie's subsequent performances showed they have come into a bit of form and they may yet go up. Lennox should have done better on the day but from what I have seen, limited to pixelot's slightly erratic camera work admittedly, he has not been an awful keeper. If anything Fleming, while making some outstanding saves, strikes me as being the more unpredictable of the two. 

Overall then, while I would like a more rock-solid reliable keeper, perhaps if Fleming can cut down the frequency of his clown school defending moves and Lennox can stay alert for a whole game, Petrie may be doing the right thing by retaining them.

In other news...

From a purely selfish standpoint, I would like as little change as possible in League One in the season ahead. Cappielow may be a good day out but the pitch is dreadful and doesn't suit the Mo's style of play.

At the other end, if Edinburgh City came up, they could potentially also attract the kind of investment that comes from being based in a large centre of population. One Cove Rangers is more than enough already.

"Big-spending" Queen's Park look as if they're going to be a like for like replacement for Thistle, which means they will be tough opposition. 

The League is not going to get easier, so Montrose have to keep on getting better.

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1 hour ago, Brummo said:

"Big-spending" Queen's Park look as if they're going to be a like for like replacement for Thistle, which means they will be tough opposition. 

I wonder if they will raid some teams in league 1 now as they have heaps of money and the appeal of full-time football. Hopefully they haven’t offered Cammy Ballantyne or Rusty a contract so we are not competing with them for the services for next season.

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1 minute ago, endieinreekie said:

Why yes, it's Gayfield Park, Arbroath. 

Probably more chance of that happening tbh. I believe Sir Stewart of Petrie has a job he enjoys outside of football so going full time might not be his thing, for now anyway. Wouldn't be surprised to see him top the bookies list as a favourite but don't think he'll leave you guys just now. Got a good thing going with you! Well done on reaching the playoffs!

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2 hours ago, JFPar said:

What's your address? We've got a click and collect booked :)

Paul Hegarty is the man you are looking for he is also out of work far better appointment.

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Paul Hegarty is the man you are looking for he is also out of work far better appointment.
Been at the club before. No thanks.
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3 hours ago, The Gable Endie said:

I wonder if they will raid some teams in league 1 now as they have heaps of money and the appeal of full-time football. Hopefully they haven’t offered Cammy Ballantyne or Rusty a contract so we are not competing with them for the services for next season.

I had heard another full time club in the division was after Cammy.

I hadn't thought of Queen's Park hoovering up other clubs' talent. Having spent the better part of a century and longer being a sporting anachronism, I never for a moment expected the "pipe-smoking gentleman amateurs*" to emerge as a Glasgow southside footballing powerhouse. As with all vanity projects, I find it difficult to get excited about this development.

(* Steeplejack a.k.a. Ivo den Biemen c. 2000)

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9 hours ago, JFPar said:

What's your address? We've got a click and collect booked :)

Delivery subject to payment and T&C's being fulfilled!

Slightly surprised Crawford jumped/pushed to be honest. If SP goes my soul is prepared, but as said several times for reasons already known, the offer will have to be pretty good to get him. 

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 A lot of chatter on the Championship threads about SP re. the manager vacancy at Dunfermline.

From a Mo fan perspective, I would understand why he would go and I don't think I would grudge him the opportunity, but I don't think he should. Here is why...

1) His target of making Montrose the best team in Angus has not been met. There is clearly more mileage to be done on this. Leaving now, job half done is possibly not the best start to a new gig elsewhere.

2) The level of expectation at Dunfermline will be very high, probably unrealistically so. Yes, if he takes them up to the Premier League he will be even more of a legend but if expectations are not met, football can be brutal.

3) Due to the results based nature of football management, it is not unlikely that the vacancy at the Pars will come round again. SP is not so old that if he bides his time, continuing to build up his reputation with the Mo, he will still be within the "Best before" date when the opportunity knocks once again.

4) Would SP prefer to manage Dunfermline in the Championship or the Premier League? Arguably, keeping them in the Premier League is less of a challenge than getting them promoted and then being expected to achieve success in the top flight. If he could steer the Mo into the Championship and compete there, managing a Premier League team would still be a big step up from managing a Part Time team but if Dunfermline were struggling, SP has previous in turning a team's fortunes around. I believe football also tends to be more forgiving of a manager that gives a struggling team his best shot and doesn't keep them up, often giving them a grace period to try to bounce back, than a manager who achieves success but cannot sustain it for whatever reason.

I would not be shocked if SP chose to leave the Mo but I would be very disappointed. SP has spoken about players' loyalty and commitment to the club as something to be valued and appreciated. What has been achieved so far at Montrose by the whole club, of which SP is a key component, has been the envy of many in Scottish football. I dare say Montrose FC would survive his departure but to me at least, it feel like a spanner would have just been thrown in the works of a machine that up till now has been running smoothly. Football is brutal and can be cut-throat but on and off the park, the Mo have got a good thing going on, so why throw that away for a shot at the big time, when that can safely be left on the back burner, till the time is even more ripe?

Stewart Petrie: do the right thing!

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2 hours ago, Brummo said:

 A lot of chatter on the Championship threads about SP re. the manager vacancy at Dunfermline.

From a Mo fan perspective, I would understand why he would go and I don't think I would grudge him the opportunity, but I don't think he should. Here is why...

1) His target of making Montrose the best team in Angus has not been met. There is clearly more mileage to be done on this. Leaving now, job half done is possibly not the best start to a new gig elsewhere.

2) The level of expectation at Dunfermline will be very high, probably unrealistically so. Yes, if he takes them up to the Premier League he will be even more of a legend but if expectations are not met, football can be brutal.

3) Due to the results based nature of football management, it is not unlikely that the vacancy at the Pars will come round again. SP is not so old that if he bides his time, continuing to build up his reputation with the Mo, he will still be within the "Best before" date when the opportunity knocks once again.

4) Would SP prefer to manage Dunfermline in the Championship or the Premier League? Arguably, keeping them in the Premier League is less of a challenge than getting them promoted and then being expected to achieve success in the top flight. If he could steer the Mo into the Championship and compete there, managing a Premier League team would still be a big step up from managing a Part Time team but if Dunfermline were struggling, SP has previous in turning a team's fortunes around. I believe football also tends to be more forgiving of a manager that gives a struggling team his best shot and doesn't keep them up, often giving them a grace period to try to bounce back, than a manager who achieves success but cannot sustain it for whatever reason.

I would not be shocked if SP chose to leave the Mo but I would be very disappointed. SP has spoken about players' loyalty and commitment to the club as something to be valued and appreciated. What has been achieved so far at Montrose by the whole club, of which SP is a key component, has been the envy of many in Scottish football. I dare say Montrose FC would survive his departure but to me at least, it feel like a spanner would have just been thrown in the works of a machine that up till now has been running smoothly. Football is brutal and can be cut-throat but on and off the park, the Mo have got a good thing going on, so why throw that away for a shot at the big time, when that can safely be left on the back burner, till the time is even more ripe?

Stewart Petrie: do the right thing!

Good points, well made but..

Given where Petrie has taken you, you’re probably able to attract a decent calibre of manager. They’re not coming in to a club in distress.

Dunfermline were bought buy a group of German investors recently and they decided to take a back seat during the pandemic and leave everything in the capable hands of the existing administration. However, they’re likely to start announcing plans soon (eg academy, investments) and whilst the manager position is likely to come up regularly as you say, the chance to be in at the start of the rebuilding process isn’t. There’s also the chance of a decent chunk of money coming in for Kevin Nisbet and though we won’t be title favourites we may be in a position to be a bit closer to the top next season.

 

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9 hours ago, Brummo said:

 A lot of chatter on the Championship threads about SP re. the manager vacancy at Dunfermline.

From a Mo fan perspective, I would understand why he would go and I don't think I would grudge him the opportunity, but I don't think he should. Here is why...

1) His target of making Montrose the best team in Angus has not been met. There is clearly more mileage to be done on this. Leaving now, job half done is possibly not the best start to a new gig elsewhere.

2) The level of expectation at Dunfermline will be very high, probably unrealistically so. Yes, if he takes them up to the Premier League he will be even more of a legend but if expectations are not met, football can be brutal.

3) Due to the results based nature of football management, it is not unlikely that the vacancy at the Pars will come round again. SP is not so old that if he bides his time, continuing to build up his reputation with the Mo, he will still be within the "Best before" date when the opportunity knocks once again.

4) Would SP prefer to manage Dunfermline in the Championship or the Premier League?

Appreciate Mo fans will be desperate to hang on to Petrie but I'm not sure many of these will inform any decision he has to make to be honest.

1) That's an accolade nobody outside of Montrose cares about. He'd already have done it if Abroath had had a couple of crap seasons.

2) That's going to be the case for almost any bigger job he takes on. Sooner or later, expectations rise.

3) Maybe, but he's one poor season away from seeing his currently sky high stock dropping to the point where he might not be in the running any more. You guys lose a couple of key players, can't replace them and finish 8th in a tough L1 next season and Petrie might never be in the running for these types of jobs again.

4) Basically see point 3). Petrie can only better his current reputation by getting Montrose promoted, which will be very difficult. Even getting top 4 again next season will be a difficult task. Reputation in football management is brutal. One bad season will significantly tarnish a lot of the fantastic work Petrie's done at Links Park. If Stewart Petrie is serious about making the step on to full time management and going further in the game (he might not want that), I think he could regret not taking the chance at Dunfermline when it's there.

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2 hours ago, Gordon EF said:

 

3) Maybe, but he's one poor season away from seeing his currently sky high stock dropping to the point where he might not be in the running any more. You guys lose a couple of key players, can't replace them and finish 8th in a tough L1 next season and Petrie might never be in the running for these types of jobs 

8th place is always the target of Petrie and anything else is a bonus. I’m sure for a few seasons the board are happy to accept that as the club establishes itself in League 1. I realise the contradicts the attempts to become the top team in Angus but that is a couple of big signings and a couple of seasons away at the moment. We will just enjoy the ride for now, after so many seasons in the doldrums it’s a good time to be a Mo fan 

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8 minutes ago, broomiesniper said:

8th place is always the target of Petrie and anything else is a bonus. I’m sure for a few seasons the board are happy to accept that as the club establishes itself in League 1. I realise the contradicts the attempts to become the top team in Angus but that is a couple of big signings and a couple of seasons away at the moment. We will just enjoy the ride for now, after so many seasons in the doldrums it’s a good time to be a Mo fan 

I'm not saying that would be a failure. Just that it would drop Petrie's stock as a manager from it's currently very high level.

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