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5 hours ago, The Master said:

This seems as good a place as any to mention that Sky are seemingly showing the Scottish Premiership in UHD this season. 

They’ve launched a UHD version of Main Event on channel 858 and it’s showing the two games at the weekend as being in UHD. 

Uncensored Huun Dross?

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That would make it just like ever other TV deal then? Just like the English teams due to be shown at 3pm, not on Sky, BT or Amazon, couldn't just decide to sell it off to the BBC or Premier Sports. And I'm sure Celtic fans would be happier with that game being at 3pm too.

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On 07/08/2022 at 10:40, Clown Job said:

 

That whole thread is something of a misrepresentation of the true position.

The first Tweet says Sky have the rights to 230 games. They don't. They have the rights to "up to" 48 games (plus both legs of the Premiership play-off final). Being the exclusive broadcast partner doesn't give you the rights to all games. It gives you the option to select 48 games - it's then those 48 games they have the rights to show.

There's then a further Tweet about BT and Amazon having "secondary rights" to the English Premier League. They don't. They have rights to a certain number of games in the same way that Sky have rights to a certain number of games. The EPL offered 7 packages: Sky won 4, BT won 2, and Amazon won 1. Calling them "secondary rights" suggests that Sky bought what they wanted, then the EPL offered some scraps to BT and Amazon - which is absolutely not the case.

It's also worth remembering that there's 180 EPL games that aren't shown live in the UK, so our position isn't really that much different. It's just the SPFL decided to offer a single package of (limited) live rights to a single broadcaster, rather than multiple packages of (limited) live rights to several broadcasters.

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The Scottish Professional Football League is close to extending its deal with Sky Sports until 2029, at which point the broadcaster would be entitled to show up to 60 Premiership matches a season for a total payment of £29.5m.

Sky’s existing deal with the SPFL, which allows a maximum of 48 matches a season, is due to expire in 2025. Under the revised terms, Sky will continue with that limit this season and next at a cost of £25.7m and £26.7m respectively. From the 2024-25 season the 60-match limit triggers a £27.6m payment which will increase by almost £2m for the next four seasons. Sky will have the option of further 10-match SPFL bundles at the cost of around £4m from 2024-5.

In each of the past two seasons Sky have opted to stop well short of showing 48 live matches; with the new commitment, their contracted minimum would rise to 42. With 60 games would come the option to visit each top flight club’s ground five times, as opposed to the current maximum of four.

On the table for Scottish clubs as an added incentive is scope to sell up to five of their home matches each season on a pay-per-view basis, but only if the fixture has not been chosen for live Sky broadcast and does not – pending special dispensation – fall in the UK blackout window between 2.45pm and 5.15pm on a Saturday. As an example, Ross County could in theory have switched last weekend’s visit of Celtic – which was not selected for television coverage – to an early or late kick-off for this purpose.

Whether or not Sky appropriately value the Scottish game is a source of ongoing debate among supporters and in boardrooms. Stewart Robertson, the Rangers managing director, said last year: “When you look at the television deal we’ve currently got in place with Sky – and Sky are fantastic partners, so no criticism of Sky whatsoever – we have undersold the product.” Dave Cormack, the Aberdeen chairman, and Hibs’s Ron Gordon have made similar remarks about the negotiating strength of SPFL officials.

Sky’s desire to safeguard a higher number of SPFL matches will increase the sense that the subscription channel is wary of losing games from the upcoming renegotiation of a deal with the English Football League. The relatively modest year-on-year increases Sky have proposed to Scotland also emphasises the SPFL’s desire to bank guaranteed cash until 2029 rather than invite risk.

The delving of Amazon Prime into the Premier League market had fuelled earlier speculation that Scotland may pursue an alternative broadcast path. BT Sport shared coverage with Sky in Scotland before the former backed away from what was popular programming at the start of the 2020-21 season.

The SPFL had to revise its title sponsorship with cinch after confirmation Rangers had no requirement to provide an inventory. A number of Scottish clubs are known to be keen to learn what, in monetary terms, the lengthy contractual dispute involving Rangers, the SPFL and Park’s Motor Group has cost the Scottish game.

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1 hour ago, stu92 said:

Clubs being able to sell their own PPV games would only be an incentive to majority of clubs if their home games against the OF weren’t already shown shown by Sky, which of course they are 99% of the time. 

Of course there are two teams who don't have that many home games shown live who could make quite a bit from this...

Seems mad that Sky would want extra fixtures when they don't show their full allocation as it is and that the SPFL would accept less money per game (around 425k down from around 510k I think?). That's the risk when they want stable long term income as opposed to a larger amount from another broadcaster though. That Setanta deal has absolutely ruined the chances of any decent TV deal going forward, hasn't it. Chairmen are constantly going to be told "don't let another Setanta happen" if they push for more money, different broadcast partners, etc.

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Who is dictating the blackout period of 2:45pm to 5:15pm on a Saturday?  Sky don’t show Scottish games then, do they show English ones?  The games would not be in competition to a Sky broadcast.  Is this a self imposed restriction?

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1 hour ago, ropy said:

Who is dictating the blackout period of 2:45pm to 5:15pm on a Saturday?  Sky don’t show Scottish games then, do they show English ones?  The games would not be in competition to a Sky broadcast.  Is this a self imposed restriction?

UEFA allow each national association a time to do this and the English and Scottish FAs choose these times to protect lower and non-league football. And quite rightly so IMO. Clubs lower down the pyramid and beyond would definitely see their crowds suffer if Rangers/Celtic/English Premier League games were available to watch legally and easily at 3pm.

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1 hour ago, Salvo Montalbano said:

Seems mad that Sky would want extra fixtures when they don't show their full allocation as it is and that the SPFL would accept less money per game (around 425k down from around 510k I think?).

I don't actually think they do, if you look at the deal while we are offering 60 games they are actually only required to show 42 which is still lower than what they can potentially show now. My reading of the above is those extra games would only become 'attractive' if their renegotiation with the EFL loses them games and they need to fill some space in the schedule.

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That deal is abysmal. If inflation comes into it then it will be arguably worth less than it is now.

I'm not saying there are easy alternatives but surely there must be a way of clubs looking at something better? After that Deloitte 'double your money' stuff you'd think a fair few clubs would be pissed at that offer.

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If Sky lose EFL, they will be left with the EPL, Bundesliga and us. The range of football they cover has frittered away over the years, they dont have the UEFA comps any more. La Liga now on Premier, French and Italian on BT. Internationals now on Premier. 

Although it's always been all about the EPL for Sky, it's becoming more apparent that this is more the case now than ever. The issue we have is, is there anyone willing to outbid Sky for our product, if not, we have to go cap in hand to them and accept whatever miserable deal we get. 

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6 minutes ago, G51 said:

Only Neil Doncaster could negotiate a deal that pays us less than our current undervalued deal.

We pay him £400k a year for the privilege.

Once again Neil Doncaster comes under fire from a fan of the current club playing out of Ibrox, a fan who is entirely oblivious to the hypocrisy of slagging off the guy otherwise hailed as an infallible paragon of virtue, incapable of human error, albeit on the solitary subject of 'same club.' It seems the only thing you believe the justifiably maligned Doncaster ever got right was his assertion that Rangers somehow survived liquidation as the same club, despite all the factual evidence to the contrary. It's almost as if he, and you, had a vested interest in inventing, promoting and maintaining a massive fabrication, a scam, a fairy tale. So, which is he - because I'm confused - a massively overpaid waste of oxygen, or the messiah? 

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3 minutes ago, Squonk said:

Once again Neil Doncaster comes under fire from a fan of the current club playing out of Ibrox, a fan who is entirely oblivious to the hypocrisy of slagging off the guy otherwise hailed as an infallible paragon of virtue, incapable of human error, albeit on the solitary subject of 'same club.' It seems the only thing you believe the justifiably maligned Doncaster ever got right was his assertion that Rangers somehow survived liquidation as the same club, despite all the factual evidence to the contrary. It's almost as if he, and you, had a vested interest in inventing, promoting and maintaining a massive fabrication, a scam, a fairy tale. So, which is he - because I'm confused - a massively overpaid waste of oxygen, or the messiah? 

alright squonky, hows the family, the wife still shacked up with that new fella?

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Just now, G51 said:

alright squonky, hows the family, the wife still shacked up with that new fella?

G51 avoiding the awkward questions as always. I'm still waiting for your mate @The_Kincardine to get back to me to explain how Rangers "came close to extinction" in 2012 if only a meaningless operating company became insolvent according to the fable. You'll be disappointed to learn I won't be holding my breath for a meaningful reply from either of you.

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