Pyramid Prospects

[mick90]

Full junor layout at   https://scottishpyramidnews.yolasite.com/pyramid.php

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[Tutankhamen]

It's a very limited pyramid system especially at the feeder level. 

Won the top league in the local area.

Can we go up, please?

Yes and no.

What?

You need to play in a play off.

Okay done it won it.

Can we go up, please.

Yes and no

What?

Well have you got floodlights?

Yep

Cover for 100 punters

Yep

Can punters see into the ground from outside?

Eh?

Tough luck, try again next year.

[Tutankhamen]

1 minute ago, gogsy said:

Twelve of the Tier 6 East teams have their licence. Its not the SFA's fault the majority of the West teams haven't got theirs. If clubs have floodlights and cover for 100 punters surely its not unreasonable to expect them to have something n place to stop punters seeing into the ground from outside? Are there West clubs where this is actually a problem?

Petershill behind the goal.

[FairWeatherFan]

27 minutes ago, Tutankhamen said:

It's a very limited pyramid system especially at the feeder level. 

Won the top league in the local area.

Can we go up, please?

Yes and no.

What?

You need to play in a play off.

Okay done it won it.

Can we go up, please.

Yes and no

What?

Well have you got floodlights?

Yep

Cover for 100 punters

Yep

Can punters see into the ground from outside?

Eh?

Tough luck, try again next year.

It's actually:

Won the Tier 6 league in the Lowland area.

Can we go up, please?

Are you licenced

Yes or No

If yes, you're either promoted automatically or contesting a playoff against other licenced Tier 6 league Champions.

 

 

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Well have you got floodlights?

Yep

Cover for 100 punters

Yep

Can punters see into the ground from outside?

Eh?

 

All of these questions get asked long before you win the league.

It's also an issue that will change sometime soon.

EoS Premier 13 licenced out of 18.

SoSFL 4 licenced out of the 12 that can be promoted.

WoS Premier 20 clubs none of them licenced yet because the majority were unable to get licenced outside the pyramid.

[Tutankhamen]

7 minutes ago, gogsy said:

Are Petershill going to be challenging for the top spot in the West of Scotland league? They don't seem to have been challenging much for the West top league in the last decade.

But they might have liked to have taken part in the big Scottish Cup as a licensed club.

[Andy groundhopper]

Quite a few West clubs are in enclosed grounds surrounded by the  mesh netting in areas, would be fairly expensive to make the grounds unseen from the outside. Sure that before long a few more clubs will work hard to get licensed, lights and cover are a big step, progress all the way. Good that standards have to be met before promotions happen, shows clubs are serious.

[Ginaro]

1 hour ago, Tutankhamen said:

Tough luck, try again next year.

Or read the criteria and spend some money on the ground instead of the playing squad so you don't find yourself in that situation to start with.

[Stag Nation]

I'm all in favour of licensing, but two things I don't understand.

"Visible from the outside" is only detrimental to the club itself, in lost revenue. If there's a game where the gate is shared, it shouldn't be difficult to find a formula which encourages them to fix the fence, e.g 80% of the gate going to the visitors.

Catering - again, the lack of this is only detrimental to the club. And of course to those spectators who can't last two hours without a pie. Surely we should be saving from themselves, in line with the current anti-obestity drive?

[FairWeatherFan]

12 minutes ago, Stag Nation said:

I'm all in favour of licensing, but two things I don't understand.

"Visible from the outside" is only detrimental to the club itself, in lost revenue. If there's a game where the gate is shared, it shouldn't be difficult to find a formula which encourages them to fix the fence, e.g 80% of the gate going to the visitors.

Scottish Cup tie. Small team hosting bigger team or two teams that are rivals. Groups of fans congregate outside the grounds with carry outs to watch the game for free. The crowd get pissed up, there's no segregation as its outside and trouble ensues.

Say this happens at the end of the game due to the result. There's the trouble outside the ground with the larger crowd inside now trying to get out potentially joining in making it worse or they themselves being attacked.

12 minutes ago, Stag Nation said:

Catering - again, the lack of this is only detrimental to the club. And of course to those spectators who can't last two hours without a pie. Surely we should be saving from themselves, in line with the current anti-obestity drive?

Winter football. Its pissing it down and freezing. Wouldn't you want access to something hot to get you through the game every once in a while.

[parsforlife]

23 minutes ago, Stag Nation said:

I'm all in favour of licensing, but two things I don't understand.

"Visible from the outside" is only detrimental to the club itself, in lost revenue. If there's a game where the gate is shared, it shouldn't be difficult to find a formula which encourages them to fix the fence, e.g 80% of the gate going to the visitors.

Catering - again, the lack of this is only detrimental to the club. And of course to those spectators who can't last two hours without a pie. Surely we should be saving from themselves, in line with the current anti-obestity drive?

The key part of the visible from the outside aspect is the existence of a secure boundary wall at least 2m in height. It’s not just a case of preventing folk looking over the wall but in making the ground secure and not have fans sneaking in.  And if you can’t control entry properly then all the other safety aspects that go with licensing are significantly compromised.

On catering, as with things like cover and other spectator based aspects of the licensing . It’s about creating a standard that fans can expect to experience. 

Indeed just about everything is about creating a basic standard you can expect at different levels in the game. What facilities the players can expect, what fans can expect etc.   These aren’t guidelines about how to improve your club/ground,  they are essentials that must be met to play at various levels(above tier 6 and in the Scottish cup currently but I’d love to see lower levels of licensing)

[Ginaro]

40 minutes ago, Stag Nation said:

I'm all in favour of licensing, but two things I don't understand.

"Visible from the outside" is only detrimental to the club itself, in lost revenue. If there's a game where the gate is shared, it shouldn't be difficult to find a formula which encourages them to fix the fence, e.g 80% of the gate going to the visitors.

Catering - again, the lack of this is only detrimental to the club. And of course to those spectators who can't last two hours without a pie. Surely we should be saving from themselves, in line with the current anti-obestity drive?

A wall/fence to obscure viewing from the outside is an EOS requirement anyway so hardly unique to licensing (probably applies to the SOS/WOS as well).

[Tutankhamen]

hee hee

A red dot from Ginaro.

Nice one.

Thou shall not have opinions or be seen to criticise whoever the latest regime is.

Btw G, f**k the SFA.

[Andy groundhopper]

Have seen plenty of improvement down in the English non league over the years,from going up into County level (step 7)  and beyond. However the biggest problems I've seen around clubs is the number of volunteers required to get things moving. Be excellent to see a constant pyramid in Scotland resulting in a 2 up and down into the spfl one day.

[mick90]

The membership (licence) fee for SFA was £100 when we started the Pyramid Campaign in 1994, no requirements for lights, etc, etc  ... since then, as more and more clubs looked to advance, virtually every single rule change has been at the behest of SPFL ... to prevent competition in the game ... lights being the latest trick (when none of the SFA early cup replays are played at night).  These people are cheats and crooks and if this was the USA, they`d be in jail.  It is actually against the law in UK, but rarely applied, especially in Scotland which is only 9% of the UK market and has an astonishingly poor government ..

[AlanCamelonfan]

3 minutes ago, mick90 said:

The membership (licence) fee for SFA was £100 when we started the Pyramid Campaign in 1994, no requirements for lights, etc, etc  ... since then, as more and more clubs looked to advance, virtually every single rule change has been at the behest of SPFL ... to prevent competition in the game ... lights being the latest trick (when none of the SFA early cup replays are played at night).  These people are cheats and crooks and if this was the USA, they`d be in jail.  It is actually against the law in UK, but rarely applied, especially in Scotland which is only 9% of the UK market and has an astonishingly poor government ..

IF the government intervened then their would be repurcussions as its against fifa law to have government involvement in football. Its called Evolution if you look at what even a high school american football ground looks like they are better than most grounds here so thats a big difference

[FairWeatherFan]

As far I recall at some point floodlights were part of getting membership to the SFA not too long ago.

[glensmad]

Strange topic to be on a junior forum as you can't join the pyramid from the juniors.

[LongTimeLurker]

30 minutes ago, glensmad said:

Strange topic to be on a junior forum as you can't join the pyramid from the juniors.

...unless you are the north region. There's no playoff format veto for the EoS where Highland League tier 6 feeders are concerned.

Edited August 24, 2020 by LongTimeLurker

[glensmad]

...unless you are the north region. There's no playoff format veto for the EoS where Highland League tier 6 feeders are concerned.

As it stands, though, there is no path from the North Region SJFA to the pyramid. That may change in the future, but I won't be holding my breath.

[LongTimeLurker]

There is a proposal from the HL that is supposed to be ready for the north region to sign off on. The North Caledonian League has already agreed to it and the word from them is that it could be implemented as soon as this season if the north region agree to it.