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1 hour ago, morley said:

Interesting the statement not just recognising Brora and Kelty are declared champions, but directly referenced the number of games each played to be so........Why call out the number of games played unless that is going to be rational for the spfl saying they don't view one or both as legitimate champions to take part in the playoff....

There's no need to consider whether Kelty or Brora meet the membership criteria if they aren't being viewed as league champions.

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1 hour ago, morley said:

Interesting the statement not just recognising Brora and Kelty are declared champions, but directly referenced the number of games each played to be so..

It's not really a statement, it's an article written by an uncredited author that uses some quotes from people actually involved in the process. As the bit about number of games is not lifted from a quote it can be taken more as providing context for an otherwise uninformed reader.

The only parts that really matter are the quote from the spokesman and that the meeting will be taking place on April 19:

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A spokesman for the SPFL said: “Given that there are a number of uncertainties, including whether League 2 clubs will play 22 or 18 games this season, we are not in a position to announce dates for Pyramid Play-Off ties this season.  Whilst we understand that this lack of certainty will be disappointing to supporters of Brora Rangers and Kelty Hearts, it is important that we are entirely fair to all clubs, including the SPFL club that finishes bottom of League 2 this season.  Our approach has always been to apply the Rules that have been agreed by all member clubs, as well as the Pyramid Play-Off Rules agreed between the SPFL, the Scottish FA, the Lowland League and the Highland League, and we will do so again this season.”

 

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6 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

So the Brechin rep on the SPFL Board is stepping down.  I wonder if that means that the SPFL Board has agreed that Club 42 will face a playoff after all.

KEN FERGUSON STEPS DOWN FROM SPFL BOARD

SPFL CONSIDERS PYRAMID PLAY-OFF ISSUES

Ken Ferguson of Brechin City FC, and the League 1 & League 2 Director on the SPFL Board, has today tendered his resignation as an SPFL director.

He said: “In view of the fact that Brechin City are currently 42nd in the League, it is appropriate for me to step aside at this time – and to devote all my time and energy into ensuring that Brechin City do not finish bottom of League 2 this season.”

SPFL Chairman Murdoch MacLennan commented: “On behalf of the entire SPFL Board, I would like to thank Ken for his huge contribution to the SPFL Board over the past two seasons.  I entirely understand and respect his reasons for wanting to step down at this time.  Ken’s hard work, commitment and wisdom have been of enormous benefit to the League and he will be missed.” 

Gordon Thomson of Clyde FC, the SPFL’s alternate director, will represent League 1 and League 2 until the SPFL’s AGM in July.

The SPFL also announced today that it is considering several issues relating to the Pyramid Play-Offs and that, as a result, it is not in a position to announce dates for Pyramid Play-Off ties this season.

The SPFL understands that the Lowland League and the Highland League have each declared ‘League Champions’ for Season 2020/21, with Kelty Hearts having played just 13 games; and Brora Rangers having played only three games this season.

At its meeting on 19 April, the SPFL Board will determine whether each of Kelty Hearts and Brora Rangers meet the SPFL’s Membership Criteria.  Only then will the SPFL be in a position to announce the position in respect of Pyramid Play-Offs this season.

A spokesman for the SPFL said: “Given that there are a number of uncertainties, including whether League 2 clubs will play 22 or 18 games this season, we are not in a position to announce dates for Pyramid Play-Off ties this season.  Whilst we understand that this lack of certainty will be disappointing to supporters of Brora Rangers and Kelty Hearts, it is important that we are entirely fair to all clubs, including the SPFL club that finishes bottom of League 2 this season.  Our approach has always been to apply the Rules that have been agreed by all member clubs, as well as the Pyramid Play-Off Rules agreed between the SPFL, the Scottish FA, the Lowland League and the Highland League, and we will do so again this season.”

Sounds like he’s influenced the board to cancel the playoffs and is stepping down to make it look like it was nothing to do with him?

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According to an article in the daily record published this evening the "several issues" the spfl are looking at are around the number of games played by Kelty and Brora to be declared champions, and the terms of Broras ownership of their ground which according to wikipedia i see they have played at since 1932. If true the SFA surely have to step in to ensure sporting integrity. 

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3 minutes ago, morley said:

According to an article in the daily record published this evening the "several issues" the spfl are looking at are around the number of games played by Kelty and Brora to be declared champions, and the terms of Broras ownership of their ground.

How the LL & HL decide their champion club is not within the scope of the SPFL to review. Although judging by the statement they released, I think your right. They’re certainly trying to make it part of their assessment. We can only hope the SFA slap them down and tell them to get on with it. Sadly the SFA and SPFL are two cheeks from the same arse so it’s unlikely they’ll stand in their way. What’s the potential issue with the Brora ground? I hadn’t heard that one before.

 

 

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Looking for any excuse they can find. Kelty AND Brora deserve their chance, not for this season but they’ve consistently proved in the last TWO part-seasons that they are worthy of a shot at the playoff. The number of games played this season is irrelevant

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7 hours ago, morley said:

According to an article in the daily record published this evening the "several issues" the spfl are looking at are around the number of games played by Kelty and Brora to be declared champions, and the terms of Broras ownership of their ground which according to wikipedia i see they have played at since 1932. If true the SFA surely have to step in to ensure sporting integrity. 

Brora clearly met the criteria when they competed in the play-off in 2015/16, so there's no reason why they wouldn't now.

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17 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

Brora clearly met the criteria when they competed in the play-off in 2015/16, so there's no reason why they wouldn't now.

Yes, just what I was going to say, therefore Brora's ground is NOT an issue. 

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I’m not entirely sure how this would work but the SFA has 65 member clubs who sit outside the SPFL. Surely if they fail to honour their commitment to the pyramid for a second season running those 65 clubs have enough voting power to force through change. In terms of what that change would be, answers on a postcard.

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Last season the games could not legally be played at the timing stated in the rules for lockdown reasons so the SPFL could get away with it. This season they have no justifiable excuse unless the colt team reconstruction plan comes through for them and the SPFL League 2 gets expanded to 16 for 2021-22.

The SFA have actively advised the HL and LL on what they needed to do to declare a league champion for the playoffs (bizarrely the LL had to have it explained to them that they could not still nominate a champion for season 2020-21 after declaring the season null & void), while last season they were passive about what was happening.

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16 minutes ago, Jerry Macguire said:

I’m not entirely sure how this would work but the SFA has 65 member clubs who sit outside the SPFL. Surely if they fail to honour their commitment to the pyramid for a second season running those 65 clubs have enough voting power to force through change. In terms of what that change would be, answers on a postcard.

Was thinking along the same lines🤔

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So a league club could lose its place in the football league to a club who have played 3 league games and another who have not played half its games.

No chance this should happen and doubt it will.

Not forgetting nobody in league football wants any team coming up they will happily put a spanner in the works of this sham pyramid forever more.

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If a team lost to another who had only played 3 games all season they would most definitely deserve to go, yes!

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It wasn't a sham pyramid before Covid hit... It was working as Edinburgh City, Cove Rangers, East Stirling and Berwick Rangers would attest to. It's a sham just now cos the SPFL are using a worldwide pandemic to their advantage. Imagine the SPFL using the amount of games played as an excuse when they relegated teams in their league last season who hadn't played the same amounts of games as their opponents. You couldn't redden their necks with a blowtorch that mob. And a MOB are exactly what they are.

So a league club could lose its place in the football league to a club who have played 3 league games and another who have not played half its games.

No chance this should happen and doubt it will.

Not forgetting nobody in league football wants any team coming up they will happily put a spanner in the works of this sham pyramid forever more.

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1 hour ago, gaswork said:

So a league club could lose its place in the football league to a club who have played 3 league games and another who have not played half its games.

No chance this should happen and doubt it will.

Not forgetting nobody in league football wants any team coming up they will happily put a spanner in the works of this sham pyramid forever more.

The league club who have known all season that if they finish bottom they would have to take part in a relegation playoff. 

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2 hours ago, gaswork said:

So a league club could lose its place in the football league to a club who have played 3 league games and another who have not played half its games.

No chance this should happen and doubt it will.

Not forgetting nobody in league football wants any team coming up they will happily put a spanner in the works of this sham pyramid forever more.

Time to put the SPFL in their place, much like we did with the archaic Junior set up.

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5 hours ago, craigkillie said:

Brora clearly met the criteria when they competed in the play-off in 2015/16, so there's no reason why they wouldn't now.

Maybe some of the criteria has changed or they relied on a waiver back then and are having to do the same now, which is why they are waiting on the SPFL board meeting?

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19 minutes ago, Ginaro said:

Maybe some of the criteria has changed or they relied on a waiver back then and are having to do the same now, which is why they are waiting on the SPFL board meeting?

I don't believe the criteria have changed, and I don't see why they would have needed a waiver.

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27 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

I don't believe the criteria have changed, and I don't see why they would have needed a waiver.

I don’t believe it’s ground related at all. I suspect they’ve found a line somewhere in their rules and regulations that will relate to a team being promoted on ‘sporting merit’ or something of that ilk, and then attempt to use that as some sort of ridiculously poor argument to not allow promotion based on the amount of games played by Kelty/Brora.

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9 minutes ago, Bundesliga Boy said:

I don’t believe it’s ground related at all. I suspect they’ve found a line somewhere in their rules and regulations that will relate to a team being promoted on ‘sporting merit’ or something of that ilk, and then attempt to use that as some sort of ridiculously poor argument to not allow promotion based on the amount of games played by Kelty/Brora.

Can you point us to the specific line in question so we can all see its exact content? If an argument is ridiculously poor it won't stand up to appeal.

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