Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Building 7 collapsed because some office furnishings caught light. Thank you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 14 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: It has. You just dislike the fact that it has. Where? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 30 minutes ago, Detournement said: Prince Bandar transferred money to the attackers in the months leading to 9/11. Evidence please. I know he transferred money to some guy who had an association with them. Even if Prince Bandar turned out to have planned the whole thing and given them flying lessons, he's hardly part of the US state. The line of thinking that there's no other explanation but the one i want is straight out of Ancient Aliens 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, Detournement said: Where? Questions and Answers about the NIST WTC 7 Investigation | NIST There? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, coprolite said: Evidence please. I know he transferred money to some guy who had an association with them. Even if Prince Bandar turned out to have planned the whole thing and given them flying lessons, he's hardly part of the US state. The line of thinking that there's no other explanation but the one i want is straight out of Ancient Aliens Quote Some information has leaked from the redacted section, including a flurry of pre-9/11 phone calls between one of the hijackers’ Saudi handlers in San Diego and the Saudi Embassy, and the transfer of some $130,000 from then-Saudi Ambassador Prince Bandar’s family checking account to yet another of the hijackers’ Saudi handlers in San Diego. https://nypost.com/2016/04/17/how-us-covered-up-saudi-role-in-911/ Bandar had weekly meetings with George Tenet then head of the CIA and socialised with Condy Rice, Cheney and Rumsfeld. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: Questions and Answers about the NIST WTC 7 Investigation | NIST There? And as a lot of people pointed out that official version doesn't make any sense and there is no particular reason why it took them years after the 9/11 Commission published to come up with this. The official explanation is that one steel beam got so hot it moved 6 inches which led to the entire building collapsing at freefall speed straight downwards. It's total nonsense and it's impossible to even make a case for why the fire would be so hot in a standard office building? We have 21 years since then of buildings going on fire, collapsing, getting hit with missiles etc and there is still absolutely nothing else like Building 7. Edited August 17, 2022 by Detournement 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Just now, Detournement said: The official explanation is that one steel beam got so hot it moved 6 inches which led to the entire building collapsing at freefall speed straight downwards. It's total nonsense and it's impossible to even make a case for why the fire would be so hot in a standard office building? You didn't read it. The official explanation, as I posted, specifically says it doesn't fall at freefall speed. You and I and the experts all agree that an entire building collapsing at freefall speed straight downwards is total nonsense. Luckily that never happened. You can't just make things up because you dislike the truth. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, Detournement said: We have 21 years since then of buildings going on fire, collapsing, getting hit with missiles etc and there is still absolutely nothing else like Building 7. Not even this one? Or this one? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Detournement said: https://nypost.com/2016/04/17/how-us-covered-up-saudi-role-in-911/ Bandar had weekly meetings with George Tenet then head of the CIA and socialised with Condy Rice, Cheney and Rumsfeld. So not transfers to the hijackers then. Thanks for clearing that up. Also still not "inside". Having links to high profile politicians is surely in itself an explanation as to why this was originally redacted. The logical leaps required are massive and tenuous and i've yet to hear a convincing motive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: Not even this one? Or this one? Only the Iranian link works for me but that building rotates inward not straight down. Quote The 47-storey WTC7 fell straight down, at almost free-fall speed, largely into its own footprint: all the hallmarks, the sceptics say, of a controlled demolition. Building 7 had some fascinating tenants. https://www.ft.com/content/7d174b42-31fa-11dd-9b87-0000779fd2ac -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, coprolite said: So not transfers to the hijackers then. Thanks for clearing that up. Also still not "inside". Having links to high profile politicians is surely in itself an explanation as to why this was originally redacted. The logical leaps required are massive and tenuous and i've yet to hear a convincing motive. Aye it's just unlucky when you are the head of the CIA and your mate accidently funds 9/11. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, Detournement said: Aye it's just unlucky when you are the head of the CIA and your mate accidently funds 9/11. Leaving aside that it's not at all clear that he funded 9/11 (that article is in the NY equivalent of the Sun by a US equivalent of Melanie Phillips), the head of the US intelligence organisation would be negligent if he wasn't in contact with the US's biggest strategic ally in (what was at least) the most unstable region on the planet wouldn't he? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 20 minutes ago, Detournement said: Only the Iranian link works for me but that building rotates inward not straight down 35 minutes ago, Detournement said: We have 21 years since then of buildings going on fire, collapsing, getting hit with missiles etc and there is still absolutely nothing else like Building 7. Oh, apologies, I guess there are a near endless list of variables. You want a building to collapse the *exact* same way as WTC 7? Well you would need to rebuild the entire WTC to the exact specifications and hit them with the exact same planes and the same time of day at the same time of year with the same weather. As it is you said there has been nothing like it. There has been. Buildings have collapsed due to structural failures caused by fire weakening the support structures. As no two buildings are built the same, as no two fires are the same then you are almost certainly not going to get two buildings who collapse in the exact same way. Only an idiot would think that would happen. It's like expecting every break from a game of pool to be the same because you always hit the 9 ball. You thought the official report said there was a free fall when it said the opposite. What's more possible: 1: You're just a tumshie who's been caught out by some wahoos on the internet? 2: In the middle of the most filmed disaster in human history a special team of explosive experts snuck into a building that was already engulfed in fire with hundreds of kilos of explosives and managed to detonate the building and escape without anyone noticing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, coprolite said: Leaving aside that it's not at all clear that he funded 9/11 (that article is in the NY equivalent of the Sun by a US equivalent of Melanie Phillips), the head of the US intelligence organisation would be negligent if he wasn't in contact with the US's biggest strategic ally in (what was at least) the most unstable region on the planet wouldn't he? It's beyond dispute that $130,000 were transferred from his account to the hijackers handlers. Even if you are a naive, button up the back melt willing to give him the benefit of the doubt you would think that there would be some sort of consequences for helping Al Qaeda do 9/11 surely? So what happened to the bold Bandar? Absolutely nothing. George Tenet continued to party with him for the rest of his duration as CIA chief and he had free reign to see GWB. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/03/24/the-prince-3 Quote Unlike most ambassadors, Bandar has unprecedented access to the President and to most senior American officials. On the night that we met in McLean, George Tenet, the director of the C.I.A., stopped by for a quick meeting, and when I visited Bandar last month he received a telephone call from Condoleezza Rice. and tells about his relationship with Colin Powell https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2008/12/george-tenet-drunk-in-bandar-apos-s-pool-screaming-about-jews/9213/ Quote An enraged George Tenet, drunk on scotch, flailing about Prince Bandar's Riyadh pool, screaming about the Bush Administration officials who were just then trying to pin the Iraq WMD fiasco on him: Edited August 17, 2022 by Detournement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Just now, AsimButtHitsASix said: You thought the official report said there was a free fall when it said the opposite. What's more possible: 1: You're just a tumshie who's been caught out by some wahoos on the internet? Quote 2: In the middle of the most filmed disaster in human history a special team of explosive experts snuck into a building that was already engulfed in fire with hundreds of kilos of explosives and managed to detonate the building and escape without anyone noticing? Not a single person has suggested that happened. The building fell near enough at freefall speed. If the theory about the debris from Tower 1 was true it wouldn't have fell straight down. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, Detournement said: Not a single person has suggested that happened. You thought it was the official explanation less than an hour ago 52 minutes ago, Detournement said: The official explanation is that one steel beam got so hot it moved 6 inches which led to the entire building collapsing at freefall speed straight downwards. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 1 minute ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: You thought it was the official explanation less than an hour ago So the fact that it was slightly slower than freefall speed matters? Plenty of people say it was freefall speed and they are all working from the same vidoes. I'll go with the people who didn't lie about WMD. The official website actually has a section entitled Why did WTC 7 collapse, while no other known building in history has collapsed due to fires alone? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/matier-ross/article/Willie-Brown-got-low-key-early-warning-about-air-3314754.php There actually were early warnings not to fly for elite Americans. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Detournement said: So the fact that it was slightly slower than freefall speed matters? Yes 1 minute ago, Detournement said: Plenty of people say it was freefall speed and they are all working from the same vidoes. Plenty people say humans lived alongside T-Rex as well. They're idiots as well. 1 minute ago, Detournement said: I'll go with the people who didn't lie about WMD. No-one involved with that report has anything to do with the US oed reporting of WMD in Iraq. So if yer gonna listen to people who didn't lie about WMD you should listen to the people who wrote that report. 4 minutes ago, Detournement said: Why did WTC 7 collapse, while no other known building in history has collapsed due to fires alone? Try reading it then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 My favourite story about the conspiracy theories surrounding Building 7 was when a pair of prominent advocates were so confident they'd found traces of thermite explosives in the rubble that they held a press conference saying they were going to hand over the samples to independent scientists for confirmation. It turned out to be flakes of bog standard primer paint. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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