Conspiracy Theories

[Detournement]

https://thedissenter.org/cia-funded-experiments-on-danish-orphans-for-decades/

The article describes MK Ultra experiments on Danish children which seem to be designed to assess methods of inducing schizophrenia. 

The maximalist MK Ultra belief is that some victims were brainshwashed or programmed to develop multiple personalities which could be activated by CIA handlers who would then coerce them to commit crimes or perform other acts against their will. Inducing schizophrenia would fit with that. 

 

[Richey Edwards]

My friend has informed me that Timothy McVeigh was a government agent.

[Detournement]

14 minutes ago, Richey Edwards said:

My friend has informed me that Timothy McVeigh was a government agent.

That seems fairly nailed on. 

All of this is true. The German guy was flown out of the USA after the bombing by the ex CIA pilot and has never been questioned by American authorities despite living openly in Germany. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Strassmeir

[welshbairn]

It's all coming together, all the possiblys, and most likelys.

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/i/status/1434939460634955780 

[Zetterlund]

A friend of a friend, who is some kind of software engineer working in artificial intelligence, was explaining that the whole 'Metaverse' thing is in fact some kind of NWO/WEF scheme to provide people a digital afterlife in return for their life savings upon death. Like a cross between The Matrix and Total Recall, involving uploading memories and experiences to the brain, with Elon Musk's Neuralink likely involved. The Vatican does not approve apparently.

Personally, sign me up.

Edited January 28, 2022 by Zetterlund

[EH75]

9 minutes ago, Zetterlund said:

A friend of a friend, who is some kind of software engineer working in artificial intelligence, was explaining that the whole 'Metaverse' thing is in fact some kind of NWO/WEF scheme to provide people a digital afterlife in return for their life savings upon death. Like a cross between The Matrix and Total Recall, involving uploading memories and experiences to the brain, with Elon Musk's Neuralink likely involved. The Vatican does not approve apparently.

Personally, sign me up.

Sounds like your mate has been watching too much Black Mirror. But also yes, sign me up. 

[Detournement]

30 minutes ago, Zetterlund said:

A friend of a friend, who is some kind of software engineer working in artificial intelligence, was explaining that the whole 'Metaverse' thing is in fact some kind of NWO/WEF scheme to provide people a digital afterlife in return for their life savings upon death. Like a cross between The Matrix and Total Recall, involving uploading memories and experiences to the brain, with Elon Musk's Neuralink likely involved. The Vatican does not approve apparently.

Personally, sign me up.

It's a lot simpler than that. 

The idea will be for plebs to reduce their consumption/carbon footprint/face to face socialising by swapping activities like going to the pub or cinema or a friend's house for spending time in the Metaverse. As well as reducing consumption it will be a far greater tool for social engineering and behavioural conditioning than existing tech  monopoly media like Facebook and Instagram.

 

[NotThePars]

A friend of a friend, who is some kind of software engineer working in artificial intelligence, was explaining that the whole 'Metaverse' thing is in fact some kind of NWO/WEF scheme to provide people a digital afterlife in return for their life savings upon death. Like a cross between The Matrix and Total Recall, involving uploading memories and experiences to the brain, with Elon Musk's Neuralink likely involved. The Vatican does not approve apparently.
Personally, sign me up.

Elon Musk is involved. The likeliest outcome is somehow your digital consciousness catches fire and explodes somewhere in Russia.

[effeffsee_the2nd]

9 hours ago, EH75 said:

Sounds like your mate has been watching too much Black Mirror. But also yes, sign me up. 

I liked that episode, living forever young in artificial magaluf getting your end away all the time. theres alot to be said for that tbh

[tamthebam]

"We downloaded your conscience but found you've run out of credit and your conscience has been dumped in the P&B Covid thread from which there's no escape...."

[BFTD]

The main problem with this "upload your consciousness to the cloud" shite is that it isn't you. It's a copy of your brain. It's no different to...(spoilers for The Prestige)...having a machine that makes a duplicate of you, while you're left to drown in a tank. "You" no longer exist, and will never experience whatever your digital clone gets up to in their next-gen MMO. The only reason for doing it is pure egotism; the belief that somehow you're special enough that the essence of you deserves to continue after your death.

I did like that San Junipero episode of Black Mirror, but it says a lot about how happy Charlie Brooker is these days that he framed it as a happy ending. Old Brooker would've gone in hard on the futility of the existential nightmare it created; a bunch of sentient clones knowingly trapped in the matrix without even the comfort of religion to take the edge off the pointlessness of everything, fully aware that they're at the mercy of whatever's happening outside the server room.

[Fullerene]

1 hour ago, BFTD said:

The main problem with this "upload your consciousness to the cloud" shite is that it isn't you.

 

[welshbairn]

5 hours ago, BFTD said:

The main problem with this "upload your consciousness to the cloud" shite is that it isn't you. It's a copy of your brain. It's no different to...(spoilers for The Prestige)...having a machine that makes a duplicate of you, while you're left to drown in a tank. "You" no longer exist, and will never experience whatever your digital clone gets up to in their next-gen MMO. The only reason for doing it is pure egotism; the belief that somehow you're special enough that the essence of you deserves to continue after your death.

I did like that San Junipero episode of Black Mirror, but it says a lot about how happy Charlie Brooker is these days that he framed it as a happy ending. Old Brooker would've gone in hard on the futility of the existential nightmare it created; a bunch of sentient clones knowingly trapped in the matrix without even the comfort of religion to take the edge off the pointlessness of everything, fully aware that they're at the mercy of whatever's happening outside the server room.

It's soooh early 21st Century to be so attached to your body that you can't conceive of existing outside it with all your memories, thoughts and emotions intact.  

Edited January 29, 2022 by welshbairn

[BFTD]

2 hours ago, welshbairn said:

It's soooh early 21st Century to be so attached to your body that you can't conceive of existing outside it with all your memories, thoughts and emotions intact.  

It ain't "you", though. If the technology existed to duplicate everything in your brain, they could do it and leave the original intact, like downloading a file over the internet. You haven't downloaded the original - it still exists. A lot of folk dreaming of the digital utopia seem to genuinely struggle with this.

I suppose I can see the point of keeping replicas of certain minds. There'd be a lot of people who'd like to know how Martin Luther King, John Lennon, or Adolf Hitler would react to the modern world. Personally, I reckon they'd be in for a horrible surprise.

Edit: it would also be interesting to know how a facsimile of a human mind would change over millennia. Once again, I think people would be in for a horrible surprise over how callous and self-serving an entity could become over time. Some of them are bad enough after a few decades.

Edited January 29, 2022 by BFTD

[welshbairn]

11 minutes ago, BFTD said:

It ain't "you", though. If the technology existed to duplicate everything in your brain, they could do it and leave the original intact, like downloading a file over the internet. You haven't downloaded the original - it still exists. A lot of folk dreaming of the digital utopia seem to genuinely struggle with this.

I suppose I can see the point of keeping replicas of certain minds. There'd be a lot of people who'd like to know how Martin Luther King, John Lennon, or Adolf Hitler would react to the modern world. Personally, I reckon they'd be in for a horrible surprise.

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 If the technology existed to duplicate everything in your brain, they could do it and leave the original intact, like downloading a file over the internet. You haven't downloaded the original - it still exists. 

That's what they do in Ian M Bank's "Culture" books, download their brains at regular intervals to keep it up to date, or in an emergency when they're about to be swallowed up by a black hole or something. You're too hung up by the concept of the individual, we're just a bundle of thoughts and emotions, none of them unique but collectively along with memory giving a sense of "me". Having 2 of "me" wouldn't take that away.

Edited January 29, 2022 by welshbairn

[RandomGuy.]

I've often wondered if they could go full Futurama and preserves peoples brain in some form of state that let's them communicate etc., but I suspect humanity will blow itself apart before we reach thay stage of technology. 

[BFTD]

Would probably vote for Futurama Nixon TBH. Couldn't be any worse.

6 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

That's what they do in Ian M Bank's "Culture" books, download their brains at regular intervals to keep it up to date, or in an emergency when they're about to be swallowed up by a black hole or something. You're too hung up by the concept of the individual, we're just a bundle of thoughts and emotions, none of them unique but collectively along with memory giving a sense of "me". Having 2 of "me" wouldn't take that away.

Your consciousness ceasing to exist would.

To everyone else, there could be another welshbairn stoating around doing all the same shit, reacting in the exact same way to everything that you would, and possibly being entirely impossible to differentiate from the original. But you wouldn't know, because you wouldn't exist anymore. For you, there's no escaping from your meat prison.

The replication of memories and experiences into some kind of hive mind is an interesting and potentially useful idea though, but I've a horrible feeling that it would come to the conclusion that life is a nightmarish horror show, with the only solution being brutal, ruthless self-interest at the expense of all other entities.

[Detournement]

The thought that the brains of the British media class will be able to continue to pump out columns after their bile filled bodies expire is absolutely vile. 

I will go full Sarah Connor to prevent this technology ever existing.

Edited January 29, 2022 by Detournement

[welshbairn]

3 minutes ago, BFTD said:

Your consciousness ceasing to exist would.

Debatable, I don't see why self awareness couldn't exist outside a meat and bone bag.

[BFTD]

5 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Debatable, I don't see why self awareness couldn't exist outside a meat and bone bag.

I agree, I just don't see how it could be anything other than a copy, which is fine for all practical purposes other than keeping "you" alive.

Also, we're yet to establish self-awareness on Pie and Bovril, so moving it to other platforms seems a bit of a stretch  

Edit: maybe one day the "lucky", privileged few will see their brains connected to a neural network, constantly repaired by nanobots. That would still be "them". But seriously, f**k that shit. I'd rather be dead.

Edited January 29, 2022 by BFTD