DC92 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 21 hours ago, DC92 said: On the Pro Licence stuff, my impression was that you needed one to be a permanent manager in the top flight, but the club statement only mentions it being a requirement for "European competition", which I take to mean the Conference League. Is that right? If it's just a Europe requirement and McAvoy has to be nominally in charge for those (let's be honest, two) games, then I'm not that bothered. If it's a requirement for the league and we have McAvoy nominally in charge, but Naismith de facto in charge, then it's an issue imo. Firstly because it would be an obvious circumvention of the regulations which leaves us open to penalties and secondly because it creates the potential for confused leadership if the club has to outwardly act as if one person is calling the shots while internally acting differently. McKinlay is an ex-SFA COO and was a member of the UEFA Legal Committee for 3 years so you'd assume he'll be on top of this but... this is Hearts. Looking into it a bit more, it seems Emre Belozoglu (who manages Istanbul Basaksehir) also doesn't have his Pro Licence. He was banned from the dugout for our home game with them last season after he was found guilty of "shadow coaching" in the previous round by UEFA. Basaksehir were also fined 10k. The article below also states there are no such restrictions in the Turkish League, so I'm assuming it's the same here. https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/istanbul-basaksehir-boss-emre-belozoglu-banned-from-europa-conference-league-opener-against-hearts-3832178 Based on this it seems Naismith is ok to act as manager in domestic games but McAvoy will have to visibly be in charge for the Conference League games. If that is the case it's basically a non-issue. Steven MacLean also doesn't have a Pro Licence going by the fact he's just enrolled on the SFA course. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoose Rice Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 6 hours ago, Martin_T said: TBH I held back a bit because he seems very angry. I feel you may have a misinterpretation of the situation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoose Rice Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Craigie Jambo said: You should know that they can't be trusted Boring pal; how about next season? Oh, also, do you see this user anywhere near your thread?? Do you even have one? Gone are the days when it was just the fucken hibbys in here You think that offends us? Our team is not named after that Your tears have a lovely taste of salt. Edited June 8, 2023 by Hoose Rice 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigie Jambo Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Hoose Rice said: Your tears have a lovely taste of salt. Fuxxake; tears? I think you know that's codswallop, ya fucken despo! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoose Rice Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 55 minutes ago, Craigie Jambo said: Fuxxake; tears? I think you know that's codswallop, ya fucken despo! Nope. Read that 20 times now and I genuinely haven't got a clue as to what you have typed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigie Jambo Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Hoose Rice said: Nope. Read that 20 times now and I genuinely haven't got a clue as to what you have typed. Having witnessed you using a word of 3 syllables or more earlier in this thread I think you're talking shite 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jambo-rocker Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 16 hours ago, paranoid android said: I'm fine with it - if it doesn't work out, we replace him, same as everyone else does - I think managerial appointments are largely short term risks these days. I think Naismith did fine over those 7 games, and he can improve - anyone expecting him to achieve 3rd starting 5 points behind aiberdeen, who were on a run of great form, were expecting too much, imo. I'm a fickle man and I want my success now. I get we're probably resigned to have to get project managers in but I'd just like for once my clearly high expectations to be fulfilled. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 11 hours ago, DC92 said: Looking into it a bit more, it seems Emre Belozoglu (who manages Istanbul Basaksehir) also doesn't have his Pro Licence. He was banned from the dugout for our home game with them last season after he was found guilty of "shadow coaching" in the previous round by UEFA. Basaksehir were also fined 10k. The article below also states there are no such restrictions in the Turkish League, so I'm assuming it's the same here. https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/istanbul-basaksehir-boss-emre-belozoglu-banned-from-europa-conference-league-opener-against-hearts-3832178 Based on this it seems Naismith is ok to act as manager in domestic games but McAvoy will have to visibly be in charge for the Conference League games. If that is the case it's basically a non-issue. Steven MacLean also doesn't have a Pro Licence going by the fact he's just enrolled on the SFA course. It's appointing Naismith as Technical Director part that's weird. If (assuming) there are no such restrictions in the SPFL, why wouldn't Hearts just appoint him as manager and then let McAvoy manage the European games like Basaksehir done? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC92 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, AJF said: It's appointing Naismith as Technical Director part that's weird. If (assuming) there are no such restrictions in the SPFL, why wouldn't Hearts just appoint him as manager and then let McAvoy manage the European games like Basaksehir done? I didn't understand that part either, but I just had a look at the Basaksehir website and... The statement does also explicitly mention that it's to comply with the regulations for playing in European competition. Edited June 9, 2023 by DC92 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 11 hours ago, DC92 said: Looking into it a bit more, it seems Emre Belozoglu (who manages Istanbul Basaksehir) also doesn't have his Pro Licence. He was banned from the dugout for our home game with them last season after he was found guilty of "shadow coaching" in the previous round by UEFA. Basaksehir were also fined 10k. The article below also states there are no such restrictions in the Turkish League, so I'm assuming it's the same here. https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/istanbul-basaksehir-boss-emre-belozoglu-banned-from-europa-conference-league-opener-against-hearts-3832178 Based on this it seems Naismith is ok to act as manager in domestic games but McAvoy will have to visibly be in charge for the Conference League games. If that is the case it's basically a non-issue. Steven MacLean also doesn't have a Pro Licence going by the fact he's just enrolled on the SFA course. It isn’t really an issue, just a bit of administrative fudge. Still fully intend on sniggering at it though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, DC92 said: I didn't understand that part either, but I just had a look at the Basaksehir website and... The statement does also explicitly mention that it's to comply with the regulations for playing in European competition. That's fair. I got the impression from that article that Emre had been appointed as manager rather than a technical director as well 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Reminds me of this scene in Casino - should've made Naismith the Food and Beverage Chairman. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC92 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, AJF said: That's fair. I got the impression from that article that Emre had been appointed as manager rather than a technical director as well I'd assume that's just because nobody really knows the official job title most of the time. I think since Budge came in we've had two Head Coaches, two Managers and one "Football Manager" (lol), but ultimately the guy who picks the team and does the post-match interviews is going to be referred to as the manager by most people. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, DC92 said: I'd assume that's just because nobody really knows the official job title most of the time. I think since Budge came in we've had two Head Coaches, two Managers and one "Football Manager" (lol), but ultimately the guy who picks the team and does the post-match interviews is going to be referred to as the manager by most people. Aye, they could title him General Dogsbody for all the difference it would make. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 14 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: Aye, they could title him General Dogsbody for all the difference it would make. Or even Lieutenant Colonel Dogsbody 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jambo-rocker Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 36 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: Or even Lieutenant Colonel Dogsbody I am 100% on board with this title. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stylish Kid Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 21 hours ago, Jacksgranda said: When we''ve gone 50 and then 42 years between Scottish Cup wins, get back to us. When we've gone 61 and then 63 years between League Championships, get back to us. When we've gone 60 years between league cup wins, get back to us. When you've celebrated the 40th anniversary of winning a European trophy, get back to us. When we go into admin, get back to us. When we get relegated, get back to us, Just on the last point, whilst we have been relegated, Aberdeen only missed out on it because of Falkirk not having a big enough stadium..... -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, Stylish Kid said: Just on the last point, whilst we have been relegated, Aberdeen only missed out on it because of Falkirk not having a big enough stadium..... Missed out on a playoff* 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 21 minutes ago, Stylish Kid said: Just on the last point, whilst we have been relegated (on more than one occasion), Aberdeen only missed out on it on a relegation play-off because of Falkirk not having a big enough stadium..... FTFY And not relegated, then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stylish Kid Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 19 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: Missed out on a playoff* Ok. Missed the opportunity to go down 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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