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5 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

It wouldn't be justifiable to abandon a meaningful fixture but this should have been a glorified training exercise for all involved.

 

Definitely the right decision. We've had enough treatment table action this season without taking unnecessary risks.

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1 minute ago, VincentGuerin said:

People who get paid to play football are professionals. Professional footballers often kick players in the other team as retribution for previous offences.

Or in the case of Craig Levein deck the supposed "hard man" of their own team in a meaningless preseason warm up
 

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4 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

Or in the case of Craig Levein deck the supposed "hard man" of their own team in a meaningless preseason warm up
 

I think Levein addressed on his podcast. I believe Hogg had committed the vile sin of not tracking someone twice. So, what choice did oor Craig have?

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4 minutes ago, Stylish Kid said:

Had one not slept with the other's sister or somesuch scandal? 🤔

Oh, my!

I'm out the loop to such an extent that I've never heard that before. I believed Craig's web of lies about the on-pitch dispute.

With no further information at hand, I am forced to conclude that Hogg/Levein had indeed had sex with every memeberr of Levein's/Hogg's family.

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1 minute ago, VincentGuerin said:

Oh, my!

I'm out the loop to such an extent that I've never heard that before. I believed Craig's web of lies about the on-pitch dispute.

With no further information at hand, I am forced to conclude that Hogg/Levein had indeed had sex with every memeberr of Levein's/Hogg's family.

I have no idea of the veracity of it, other than it's been alluded to by elder Jambos (for the record - it's before my time!). Obviously I'm now just inadvertently libelling people on P&B's boards....

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3 minutes ago, Stylish Kid said:

I have no idea of the veracity of it, other than it's been alluded to by elder Jambos (for the record - it's before my time!). Obviously I'm now just inadvertently libelling people on P&B's boards....

Well, you've convinced me.

I reckon we've got a couple more rumours left in us before the fitba comes back.

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1 minute ago, VincentGuerin said:

Well, you've convinced me.

I reckon we've got a couple more rumours left in us before the fitba comes back.

I spent ages doing a big analysis of teams past and present, but it's been lost in the Dandies coming and beefing on us for no obvious reason 🤷😂

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12 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said:

I don't want Calum/Callum/ Paterson/Patterson back because he's got two names I never know the right spelling of.

f**k having to write his name all the time. It's like when we finally got rid of the two Elliot/Elliotts.

It's Callum with two Ls, Just to confuse Welsh and Spanish people

That's how I remember it

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2 hours ago, Raidernation said:

Professionals don't get wound up and fight in friendlies, if they do they are not "professional".

Is that a difficult concept for you?

Of course Cochrane didn't fight anyone, so presumably you're complaining - rightly and commendably - about the Almeira players' unprofessional behaviour.

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On 05/12/2022 at 13:32, Stylish Kid said:

Ok so, 

It's still the off-period, and I was a bit bored. So I started thinking about our squad strength in comparison to Robbie Neilson's last match in charge. I recall in our season in the Championship (20-21), RN reckoned that his team was stronger than his previous stint in the Championship with us (14-15).  I was skeptical then, however now I think that statement probably rings true....

I've compared the starting line-ups in RN's final match in 2016 vs Rangers (2-0) [https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38073798] , vs the most recent match against Livi (1-1) [https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63523886].  The line-ups in the 2 matches provided a 4-4-1-1 and a 4-1-4-1, so I've tweaked the positions slightly to give a man-for man comparson, and tried to score each player. Happy for people to shoot me down or offer differing opinions (particularly on certain players!)

 

GK: 

  • 2016: Jack Hamilton (7/10) - although his subsequent career has not been good, it is worth remembering that he actually was called up to the Soctland men's squad, although uncapped. 
  • 2022: Craig Gordon (9/10) - Probably better last season, but you're unlikely to get a better quality keeper in the SPFL. Probably brings bigger postitive squad influence

RB:

  • 2016: Callum Patterson (9/10) - probably an 8/10 player at the time really, however he was so important to our style of play at the time, effectively covering the whole of the right flank with his athleticisim. Also scored a phonemanl number of goals and was an important ariel presence in both boxes
  • 2022: Michael Smith (6/10) - reliably a 7/10 performer for years in some terrible Hearts teams, but age is starting to show

RCB: 

  • 2016: John Souttar (6/10) - At the time, he wasn't such a big player for us, still raw however. 
  • 2022: Toby Sibbick (6/10) - I see a lot of parallels, in that we have a raw quality player who gets absolute pelters by some sections of our support. Has been invaluable coming into form in the last month or so

LCB:

  • 2016: Igor Rossi (6/10) – for me, a fairly unmemorable player. Solid, but to be perfectly honest I didn’t really shed a tear when he left (sorry Igor!)
  • 2022: Kye Rowles (9/10) – I scored him at about 6 when I initially drafted this, but on reflection how important he has become in so few matches highlight that he is quality, not just early form

LB:

  • 2016: Facaly Rherras (3/10) – Not as terrible as Oshanwina or Lennard Sowah in terms of single-season LB’s, but again did not exactly set the heather alight. Should have kept Adam Ekersley that season. Following a check of his career history, he loses a point for going on loan to Hibs 2 seasons later
  • 2022: Alex Cochrane (8/10) – really stepped up this season, both in terms of importance to the team (as highlighted by Craig Gordon when asked on his best team mates across both spells at Hearts). Covered at LCB as needed too.

RM: 

  • 2016: Jamie Walker (8/10) – A key member of the promotion-winning team. I always wonder what could have been if the Walker/Patterson/Nicholson axis had been kept. Always an important performer for us, even in his not-so-good second spell where he’d lost a yard of pace, always popped up with important goals. A Jambo through-and-through, would be an asset to almost any Hearts team past or present.  
  • 2022: Gino  (710) – Last season, might have got a 4 or a 5, but like Cochrane and others has really stepped up with the injuries. Probably gets a higher rating than he would have because he scored the last minute equaliser…

CM: 

  • 2016: Don Cowie (8/10) – Recently lambasted on this forum, but probably one of our better performers at the time. A great professional who did give it his all (unlike other older players!).   
  • 2022: Orestis Kiomourtzoglou (5/10) – If he was a freebie, he’d probably get a point more, but has taken a lot of criticism, on account of coming with a big price tag and reputation. Expect more from him in the next “half” of the season, and has already shown flashes of potential with MoTM against Ross County

CM:

  • 2016: Perry Kitchen (6/10) – A solid 6/10 every week. Unflashy, and somehow was made captain for unfathomable reasons, other than to give him a moniker based on a Marvel ™ character. Recently retired tragically early.
  • 2022: Cammy Devlin (8/10) – another to file under “stepped up to the plate this year”. Still has amazing potential, and brings something intangible to the pitch over and above skill, energy, and tactical nous.

C(A)M: 

  • 2016: Arnaud Djoum (6/10) – Similarly to “Kio” of now-a-days, perhaps loses a point for being expensive! Trusted by successive managers, always looked like he was playing at 80%. Technically gifted and a first-team starter, played over 100 times and had a decent goalscoring rate from midfield .  
  • 2022: Robert Snodgrass (710) – Arguably comparable to Don Cowie in terms of career stage and what he brought. Might not get many seasons out of him, but he’s important for now

FW:

  • 2016: Bjorn Johnsen (6/10) – Yet another in a long list of strikers to have been signed by Hearts, only to fail to hit the back of the net regularly. Worth noting that he was SPFL player of the month that month.  
  • 2022: Lawrence Shankland (8/10) – Completely different player to Johnsen, however has, on balance, been a good signing and is perhaps a more complete player than people expected.

Totals:

2016: 69/110

2022: 74/110

 

Subs – you can argue about them yourselves….

You’ve put in a it of work there with f**k all response 🙂

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On 05/12/2022 at 13:32, Stylish Kid said:

GK: 

  • 2016: Jack Hamilton (7/10) - although his subsequent career has not been good, it is worth remembering that he actually was called up to the Soctland men's squad, although uncapped. 
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Think you've been very kind to Jack Hamilton here, putting him only two marks behind Craig Gordon. He was poor, from memory - a sub Roddy McKenzie shot stopper, and prone to total cockups. No Joel Pereira, to be fair, but worse than Ross Stewart.

That Scotland call-up was bizarre at the time and seems even more mad in retrospect.

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