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47 minutes ago, Cptn Hooch said:

In the last match before the WC, Cochrane should have been sent off for a shocker of a tackle on Nicky Devlin and now he's going in and kicking guys in a friendly? The boy needs to cool his nugget. I remember Alan Main being sent off in a friendly for Livi and that meant he was suspended for the first game of the season. Roddy McKenzie replaced him for that match and never lost the jersey. Will Cochrane be suspended for the next 3 games due to being a straight red for violent conduct?

If you just see that one video, it looks like Cochrane started the rumble, but their players had put in some shocking challenges before that and it was just a normal bit of fitba player retribution. Maybe daft in a friendly, but it's the kind of thing pros do.

No idea why their players approached a friendly like that, but it's all very, very funny.

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3 minutes ago, Stylish Kid said:

Rumour that Cal-Patz might come back?

 

If you'd asked me a year ago, I'd probably have said "don't need", but Mikey Smith isn't getting any younger....

 

Assuming of course Paterson would play RB....

Apparently he's a forward these days but competing with a different Michael Smith for a start

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/sheffield-wednesday-attacker-reportedly-subject-25671567

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23 minutes ago, Durnford said:

Reading the reports of a "mass brawl" I was expecting something more.

That was just handbags....

I assume there was something carrying on after that; it didn't really seem to be justifiable to abandon the match just on that.

I was half expecting something more along the lines of this:

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32 minutes ago, Durnford said:

Reading the reports of a "mass brawl" I was expecting something more.

That was just handbags....

I assume there was something carrying on after that; it didn't really seem to be justifiable to abandon the match just on that.

There had been some 'needle' and hefty challenges before that, and it probably wasn't going to improve.

The decision to abandon was taken to avoid serious injury.

The Spanish press have criticized the Spanish team mainly, but there will have been fault on both sides. 

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23 hours ago, paranoid android said:

Three separate aiberdeen fans leaping on this over two threads.

There's no rivalry here, lads. 

Aberdeen fast becoming the most seething fans on here, although not sure they'll ever compete with Falkirk fans.

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Ok so, 

It's still the off-period, and I was a bit bored. So I started thinking about our squad strength in comparison to Robbie Neilson's last match in charge. I recall in our season in the Championship (20-21), RN reckoned that his team was stronger than his previous stint in the Championship with us (14-15).  I was skeptical then, however now I think that statement probably rings true....

I've compared the starting line-ups in RN's final match in 2016 vs Rangers (2-0) [https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38073798] , vs the most recent match against Livi (1-1) [https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63523886].  The line-ups in the 2 matches provided a 4-4-1-1 and a 4-1-4-1, so I've tweaked the positions slightly to give a man-for man comparson, and tried to score each player. Happy for people to shoot me down or offer differing opinions (particularly on certain players!)

 

GK: 

  • 2016: Jack Hamilton (7/10) - although his subsequent career has not been good, it is worth remembering that he actually was called up to the Soctland men's squad, although uncapped. 
  • 2022: Craig Gordon (9/10) - Probably better last season, but you're unlikely to get a better quality keeper in the SPFL. Probably brings bigger postitive squad influence

RB:

  • 2016: Callum Patterson (9/10) - probably an 8/10 player at the time really, however he was so important to our style of play at the time, effectively covering the whole of the right flank with his athleticisim. Also scored a phonemanl number of goals and was an important ariel presence in both boxes
  • 2022: Michael Smith (6/10) - reliably a 7/10 performer for years in some terrible Hearts teams, but age is starting to show

RCB: 

  • 2016: John Souttar (6/10) - At the time, he wasn't such a big player for us, still raw however. 
  • 2022: Toby Sibbick (6/10) - I see a lot of parallels, in that we have a raw quality player who gets absolute pelters by some sections of our support. Has been invaluable coming into form in the last month or so

LCB:

  • 2016: Igor Rossi (6/10) – for me, a fairly unmemorable player. Solid, but to be perfectly honest I didn’t really shed a tear when he left (sorry Igor!)
  • 2022: Kye Rowles (9/10) – I scored him at about 6 when I initially drafted this, but on reflection how important he has become in so few matches highlight that he is quality, not just early form

LB:

  • 2016: Facaly Rherras (3/10) – Not as terrible as Oshanwina or Lennard Sowah in terms of single-season LB’s, but again did not exactly set the heather alight. Should have kept Adam Ekersley that season. Following a check of his career history, he loses a point for going on loan to Hibs 2 seasons later
  • 2022: Alex Cochrane (8/10) – really stepped up this season, both in terms of importance to the team (as highlighted by Craig Gordon when asked on his best team mates across both spells at Hearts). Covered at LCB as needed too.

RM: 

  • 2016: Jamie Walker (8/10) – A key member of the promotion-winning team. I always wonder what could have been if the Walker/Patterson/Nicholson axis had been kept. Always an important performer for us, even in his not-so-good second spell where he’d lost a yard of pace, always popped up with important goals. A Jambo through-and-through, would be an asset to almost any Hearts team past or present.  
  • 2022: Gino  (710) – Last season, might have got a 4 or a 5, but like Cochrane and others has really stepped up with the injuries. Probably gets a higher rating than he would have because he scored the last minute equaliser…

CM: 

  • 2016: Don Cowie (8/10) – Recently lambasted on this forum, but probably one of our better performers at the time. A great professional who did give it his all (unlike other older players!).   
  • 2022: Orestis Kiomourtzoglou (5/10) – If he was a freebie, he’d probably get a point more, but has taken a lot of criticism, on account of coming with a big price tag and reputation. Expect more from him in the next “half” of the season, and has already shown flashes of potential with MoTM against Ross County

CM:

  • 2016: Perry Kitchen (6/10) – A solid 6/10 every week. Unflashy, and somehow was made captain for unfathomable reasons, other than to give him a moniker based on a Marvel ™ character. Recently retired tragically early.
  • 2022: Cammy Devlin (8/10) – another to file under “stepped up to the plate this year”. Still has amazing potential, and brings something intangible to the pitch over and above skill, energy, and tactical nous.

C(A)M: 

  • 2016: Arnaud Djoum (6/10) – Similarly to “Kio” of now-a-days, perhaps loses a point for being expensive! Trusted by successive managers, always looked like he was playing at 80%. Technically gifted and a first-team starter, played over 100 times and had a decent goalscoring rate from midfield .  
  • 2022: Robert Snodgrass (710) – Arguably comparable to Don Cowie in terms of career stage and what he brought. Might not get many seasons out of him, but he’s important for now

FW:

  • 2016: Bjorn Johnsen (6/10) – Yet another in a long list of strikers to have been signed by Hearts, only to fail to hit the back of the net regularly. Worth noting that he was SPFL player of the month that month.  
  • 2022: Lawrence Shankland (8/10) – Completely different player to Johnsen, however has, on balance, been a good signing and is perhaps a more complete player than people expected.

Totals:

2016: 69/110

2022: 74/110

 

Subs – you can argue about them yourselves….

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3 hours ago, VincentGuerin said:

If you just see that one video, it looks like Cochrane started the rumble, but their players had put in some shocking challenges before that and it was just a normal bit of fitba player retribution. Maybe daft in a friendly, but it's the kind of thing pros do.

No idea why their players approached a friendly like that, but it's all very, very funny.

Craig Fowler alluded to this - and that there was scrapping out of shot too.

 

Cochrane quite often "leaves a bit" on the opposition, one day it's going to cost him a red. But, it's nothing I haven't seen on a match elsewhere. 

 

The Almeria guy (who wasn't even fouled!!!!) running across half the pitch though.... 🤔😂

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7 minutes ago, Stylish Kid said:

Craig Fowler alluded to this - and that there was scrapping out of shot too.

 

Cochrane quite often "leaves a bit" on the opposition, one day it's going to cost him a red. But, it's nothing I haven't seen on a match elsewhere. 

 

The Almeria guy (who wasn't even fouled!!!!) running across half the pitch though.... 🤔😂

I don't know anything about them as a team, so I'm not sure if this is just what they're like, but it seems like they took a pretty weird approach to a friendly.

The funny thing is that (without Devlin in the team) we're not even really a niggly or physical side. I can't really see where this has all come from. Tremendously enjoyable though.

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4 minutes ago, Raidernation said:

Professionals don't get wound up and fight in friendlies, if they do they are not "professional".

Is that a difficult concept for you?

People who get paid to play football are professionals. Professional footballers often kick players in the other team as retribution for previous offences. Anyone who has ever watched the game knows this.

Is that a difficult concept for you?

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1 hour ago, Durnford said:

Reading the reports of a "mass brawl" I was expecting something more.

That was just handbags....

I assume there was something carrying on after that; it didn't really seem to be justifiable to abandon the match just on that.

It wouldn't be justifiable to abandon a meaningful fixture but this should have been a glorified training exercise for all involved.

 

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