lennyzer0 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Connor1874 said: Another thing which people seem to overlook, is that Dundee United aren't a rival to Hearts, nor were they at the time. TBF, Dundee Utd, even in relegation trouble, are as much of a rival (or otherwise) of Hearts as Rangers are. We were no more likely to sink down to Utd's level that season than we are to catch Rangers this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennyzer0 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 minute ago, AJF said: Ah, you're probably right! I read it as 1 or 2 million haha. Cheers. Now if Rangers would just give us 2 million, everyone would be happy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, lennyzer0 said: Now if Rangers would just give us 2 million, everyone would be happy Haha, if only. I still reckon half a million will be too much for us to bring him in this window. I also think if we do plan on making an offer to bring him in this window, it will come after the Hearts v Celtic match. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snifter Pee Rot Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 The Rangers will pile in with 200k on deadline day for JS. Cert. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 10 minutes ago, lennyzer0 said: Presumably '1/2 million' means half a million, which is what Hearts are reported to be after for his January signature. Given that Rangers are the only potential buyer that would seem a bit ambitious unless Aberdeen can dish out the Durrant treatment tonight to whoever Rangers current best centre half is and inject some urgency into negotiations 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Reese Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 56 minutes ago, G51 said: Dundee United aren’t a rival to Hearts, but Rangers are? I’ve heard it all now. Dundee United were already relegated, and we were not due to play them again. You maybe didn't hear(/read) it all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Reese Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 43 minutes ago, lennyzer0 said: TBF, Dundee Utd, even in relegation trouble, are as much of a rival (or otherwise) of Hearts as Rangers are. We were no more likely to sink down to Utd's level that season than we are to catch Rangers this. They were in the bottom six at the time, and we were in the top six. We weren't direct rivals at the time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC92 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 10 minutes ago, Kyle Reese said: Dundee United were already relegated, and we were not due to play them again. You maybe didn't hear(/read) it all. They might not have been mathematically able to catch us, but they did play us after that and weren't relegated until they played Dundee in April/May. That's irrelevant, though, because we didn't sign him on a pre-contract. He left Dundee United immediately in January. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Reese Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, DC92 said: They might not have been mathematically able to catch us, but they did play us after that and weren't relegated until they played Dundee in April/May. That's irrelevant, though, because we didn't sign him on a pre-contract. He left Dundee United immediately in January. Some memory on you, mate. I honestly couldn't remember half of the details of this, and didn't even bother thinking about it until folk started trying to claim we did something similar in order to get him from United in the first place. 1 hour ago, lennyzer0 said: TBF, Dundee Utd, even in relegation trouble, are as much of a rival (or otherwise) of Hearts as Rangers are. We were no more likely to sink down to Utd's level that season than we are to catch Rangers this. Apologies, I was mistaken, as per above. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 56 minutes ago, Kyle Reese said: Dundee United were already relegated, and we were not due to play them again. You maybe didn't hear(/read) it all. I was referring to this: 3 hours ago, Connor1874 said: Another thing which people seem to overlook, is that Dundee United aren't a rival to Hearts, nor were they at the time. United were bottom and going down. As you say, United were happy to cash in on him and it was in his best interests to leave a sinking ship. Souttar leaving us on a free for Rangers has the potential to weaken us while strengthening a rival, purely out of self interest. Many will defend his motives which is fair enough, but its really not rocket science as to why that would leave a bitter taste in the mouth of us, the fans. Pre-contract very much are a part of football and sure, we've signed plenty ourselves. But context is key, and in this case, its very clear why Hearts supporters are not one bit happy with John Souttar. Also, comments about it being our fault for not negotiating a contract with him. I can only go on rumours I've read elsewhere, but if they're true, we pulled out all the stops to keep Souttar and were prepared to make him a substantial offer. But we can't match Rangers and Souttar knows that, thus pointing to one clear motive: Money. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Reese Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, G51 said: I was referring to this: Yes, I know. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connor1874 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 hours ago, G51 said: Dundee United aren’t a rival to Hearts, but Rangers are? I’ve heard it all now. When Rangers were in the lower leagues, were Celtic your rivals? 2 hours ago, lennyzer0 said: TBF, Dundee Utd, even in relegation trouble, are as much of a rival (or otherwise) of Hearts as Rangers are. We were no more likely to sink down to Utd's level that season than we are to catch Rangers this. I'm using the term rival in the historical sense. If Hearts were in the Championship, Rangers wouldn't be a direct rival to us competitively, but I'd still consider Rangers as a rival, just like Hibs and Celtic. If Souttar went back to Dundee United now, I wouldn't care as much as I do about him going to Rangers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC92 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 37 minutes ago, Kyle Reese said: Some memory on you, mate. I honestly couldn't remember half of the details of this, and didn't even bother thinking about it until folk started trying to claim we did something similar in order to get him from United in the first place. All I remembered was us signing him for 6 figures in January and Dundee United getting relegated at Dens tbh. Quite incredible that a point about the ethics of announcing pre-contracts from the same division during the season has triggered so much discussion about a transfer which... was not a pre-contract. For the record, I don't care about said ethical discussion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoose Rice Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 11 minutes ago, DC92 said: All I remembered was us signing him for 6 figures in January and Dundee United getting relegated at Dens tbh. Quite incredible that a point about the ethics of announcing pre-contracts from the same division during the season has triggered so much discussion about a transfer which... was not a pre-contract. For the record, I don't care about said ethical discussion. Didn't Hearts sign Barr, Black, Taouil and Haulket on PCAs? Can't remember the immoral fuss kicked up when they went through. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Reese Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Christ, here it comes. Who lit the fucking twat signal? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC92 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, Hoose Rice said: Didn't Hearts sign Barr, Black, Taouil and Haulket on PCAs? Can't remember the immoral fuss kicked up when they went through. 17 minutes ago, DC92 said: For the record, I don't care about said ethical discussion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chefki Kuqi Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 @General dissaray Any signings Hearts should be looking at to replace Souttar? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Saopy tit w**k. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Putting Souttar on the Hearts Calendar for February was always a bit risky Gnando was at least here for a few days of January 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Nando was meant to be moving to Salford then Tranmere, but he's still here. Starting to think the only forward we might bring in will be Euan Henderson. Was told the other day we have bids in for a striker and an attacking midfielder. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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