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26 minutes ago, Empty It said:
35 minutes ago, paranoid android said:
This isn't necessarily a back/crack & sack Neilson post, but...
Have we ever had a manager for which the fans have had less patience than Neilson? 

Cathro?

Not sure - there were a lot of fans who thought he might come good given time. 

I was one of them - for a while. 

I guess the obvious one is Rix, but for good reason. 

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I'm willing to give him more time but our away performances in both his spells have generally been shite. Add in results like Birkirkara and Brora and you have to question his ability to react when things aren't working on the pitch. 

I have no doubt we'll be a top 5 team but that will be it for us. I'd be interested to find out how Naismith is getting on with his coaching badges. 

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Really frustrated about Saturday still. Similar to the Aberdeen game, where you had the feeling early doors that we just weren’t going to make the changes necessary to win. The wingbacks weren’t getting involved enough, meaning we essentially had a two man midfield v their three. Halkett’s injury was a big part of that. Moore was man of the match for me vs United.

Back on the horse though, it’s only our second league defeat of the season. He needs to learn from it though, and we need to strengthen every window, to make sure we don’t collapse when one key player gets injured or suspended. We obviously don’t have the strength in depth that I thought we did.

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Really frustrated about Saturday still. Similar to the Aberdeen game, where you had the feeling early doors that we just weren’t going to make the changes necessary to win. The wingbacks weren’t getting involved enough, meaning we essentially had a two man midfield v their three. Halkett’s injury was a big part of that. Moore was man of the match for me vs United.
Back on the horse though, it’s only our second league defeat of the season. He needs to learn from it though, and we need to strengthen every window, to make sure we don’t collapse when one key player gets injured or suspended. We obviously don’t have the strength in depth that I thought we did.

Against Dundee United that side looked as if it was approaching “finished article” status. Turns out we’re still at “Work in Progress”

Either that or Craig Halkett was a far more crucial component than anybody guessed
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17 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:


Against Dundee United that side looked as if it was approaching “finished article” status. Turns out we’re still at “Work in Progress”

Either that or Craig Halkett was a far more crucial component than anybody guessed

In a way, I think he is. He’s far from glamorous, but he takes care of the simple stuff well enough, and when he does that, it allows us to play Moore at RWB, and Souttar gets to play a bit of football. 

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On 22/11/2021 at 13:47, The Tackle said:

I'm willing to give him more time but our away performances in both his spells have generally been shite. Add in results like Birkirkara and Brora and you have to question his ability to react when things aren't working on the pitch. 

I have no doubt we'll be a top 5 team but that will be it for us. I'd be interested to find out how Naismith is getting on with his coaching badges. 

I do recall him saying that there are three important games he focuses on, which is the first and last home matches, and the game around rememberance day, which does my tits in a little bit because as far as I'm concerned every league game should be treated as importantly.

He's fine for now if fine is settling for a smidge above mediocrity, so if an opportunity comes up for an upgrade, I'd certainly like to see us exercise a ruthless streak in replacing him.

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I generally don't like it when people dredge up old posts where people said things and turned out to have got them wrong so I've redacted the name

The point is that back in March this kind of sentiment wasn't uncommon

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Any considerations re cost should be measured against the cost of relegation next season, which is what will happen if we keep the current set up.

Oh, and Budge has to go as well. 

That's from P&B but the more excitable parts of the Hearts internet were far more melodramatic

Now the despair tend to be along the line "That's our title challenge over,  Robbie's a fucking clown." 

Which is progress of a sort
 

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1 hour ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

I generally don't like it when people dredge up old posts where people said things and turned out to have got them wrong so I've redacted the name

The point is that back in March this kind of sentiment wasn't uncommon

That's from P&B but the more excitable parts of the Hearts internet were far more melodramatic

Now the despair tend to be along the line "That's our title challenge over,  Robbie's a fucking clown." 

Which is progress of a sort
 

Aye, that was me. 

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5 hours ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

I generally don't like it when people dredge up old posts where people said things and turned out to have got them wrong so I've redacted the name

The point is that back in March this kind of sentiment wasn't uncommon

That's from P&B but the more excitable parts of the Hearts internet were far more melodramatic

Now the despair tend to be along the line "That's our title challenge over,  Robbie's a fucking clown." 

Which is progress of a sort
 

We've obviously come on leaps and bounds with recruitment bringing in new specialists in that department and It's paid off with signings looking shrewd and well considered additions to the squad. It's 5 years later than it should have been done, we've wasted countless millions and been relegated which was a disgrace. For some supporters this context is immaterial for some reason.

We're joint 3rd/4th after 14 games whilst having the 4th biggest budget. We're all pleasantly surprised but let's not get carried away yet eh. I'm not convinced Neilson is the man to take us forward long term but any judgement of him deserves to be considered against the type of players our scouts are helping to bring in. We were slick in 2014/15 and there's a spark again this season which is in his favour, he can get a tune from good players at least for a spell.

 

 

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I was really disappointed with how last weekend played out. It’s out of my system now though. We are back at home, and it’s full focus on the next game.

All said and done, to have only lost two games all season so far, isn’t something to be sniffed at. We will strengthen in January, and hopefully we will be rejuvenated for the second part of the season.

As long as the manager learns from the defeats, and makes the changes to mitigate, then I can’t really be too harsh.

 

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18 hours ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

But you were hardly alone
 

No, and we'd had some really poor results and performances, to be fair - especially in the cups. 

I don't mind being wrong generally - especially when we've improved, and you're right to say there's been progress - probably largely due to some fairly astute signings in key areas, which is welcome given that a lot of our recruitment prior to that had been questionable, imo.

We're now at the stage where folk are shouting for RN to be emptied on the strength of losing games to decent Aberdeen and Motherwell sides rather than Alloa and Brora.  (no disrespect intended to those clubs)

Results have generally been decent this season, and I've liked how we've been playing most of the time - most fans are saying RN needs to have a plan B - if he doesn't have one, there will always be setbacks.

Definite progress, though. 

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1 hour ago, paranoid android said:

No, and we'd had some really poor results and performances, to be fair - especially in the cups. 

I don't mind being wrong generally - especially when we've improved, and you're right to say there's been progress - probably largely due to some fairly astute signings in key areas, which is welcome given that a lot of our recruitment prior to that had been questionable, imo.

We're now at the stage where folk are shouting for RN to be emptied on the strength of losing games to decent Aberdeen and Motherwell sides rather than Alloa and Brora.  (no disrespect intended to those clubs)

Results have generally been decent this season, and I've liked how we've been playing most of the time - most fans are saying RN needs to have a plan B - if he doesn't have one, there will always be setbacks.

Definite progress, though. 

March was tough
with hindsight some of the choices  that people complained about (not buying a centre half in january meaning we had to keep playing with Popescu and/or a 36 year old Berra , Signing GMS when he hadn't played for ages and giving him a preseason in competitive games, letting Kyle Lafferty go to Kilmarnock, etc...)  make a bit more sense.

Last season was all about cleaning up the mess of previous seasons and getting back to the top flight ready to compete. It would have been nice to win it by 20 points rather than 12 but not important in the grand scheme of things and looking at the massive drop in regular revenue it would seem an expensive luxury

Arguably of course if the club had gone full throttle into last season then the Brora debacle wouldn't have happened and maybe the cup run would have paid for the stop gap centre half that we needed but it's easy to choose a wise gamble after the race

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18 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

March was tough
with hindsight some of the choices  that people complained about (not buying a centre half in january meaning we had to keep playing with Popescu and/or a 36 year old Berra , Signing GMS when he hadn't played for ages and giving him a preseason in competitive games, letting Kyle Lafferty go to Kilmarnock, etc...)  make a bit more sense.

Last season was all about cleaning up the mess of previous seasons and getting back to the top flight ready to compete. It would have been nice to win it by 20 points rather than 12 but not important in the grand scheme of things and looking at the massive drop in regular revenue it would seem an expensive luxury

Arguably of course if the club had gone full throttle into last season then the Brora debacle wouldn't have happened and maybe the cup run would have paid for the stop gap centre half that we needed but it's easy to choose a wise gamble after the race

The concern for me was that the same wasteful approach to recruitment would continue - I blame Levein and John Murray for that - they're meant to be gone now, but they left a mess.

The squad seems to be in better shape than it's been for a while, thank god - hope we can boost striking options in January, and we need to be looking at better back-up, and maybe even a long-term replacement for Gordon - that boy Cheesy isn't up to it, and Harry Stone went to pieces on loan at Partick, and hasn't played for weeks.

My other reason for wanting RN out at that time was that McInness and Alex Neil were available - surprised that the latter especially is still available. 

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44 minutes ago, paranoid android said:

The concern for me was that the same wasteful approach to recruitment would continue - I blame Levein and John Murray for that - they're meant to be gone now, but they left a mess.

The squad seems to be in better shape than it's been for a while, thank god - hope we can boost striking options in January, and we need to be looking at better back-up, and maybe even a long-term replacement for Gordon - that boy Cheesy isn't up to it, and Harry Stone went to pieces on loan at Partick, and hasn't played for weeks.

My other reason for wanting RN out at that time was that McInness and Alex Neil were available - surprised that the latter especially is still available. 


I wouldn't write Harry Stone's career off quite yet.

When Craig Gordon was that age he was on loan to Cowdenbeath in the old 2nd Division and he wasn't playing every week, when he came back for the 2002-03 season he only got 2 games as Roddy Mackenzie was first choice till Tepi Moilanen signed on loan midway through the season



 

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21 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:


I wouldn't write Harry Stone's career off quite yet.

When Craig Gordon was that age he was on loan to Cowdenbeath in the old 2nd Division and he wasn't playing every week, when he came back for the 2002-03 season he only got 2 games as Roddy Mackenzie was first choice till Tepi Moilanen signed on loan midway through the season



 

I haven't totally written Stone off - I had high hopes for him, but he had a nightmare game for Partick, and wasn't even on the bench for a few games - he may have been injured or lost confidence after that bad game, but it's up to him to react in the right way.

The sad truth is that most young players don't make it - I would love Stone to fulfil his potential - might be best for him to go on loan elsewhere if Sneddon is starting at Partick. 

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