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As long as Phase 1 is completed in all leagues, which should be by the first weekend in January, then points per game will not be a factor. If the season has to finish before 100% of matches are played, then the final positions will be declared by the final Phase 1 tables. That is what the clubs agreed to before the season started.

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14 hours ago, Shanner said:

I love seeing you kicking off about league tables. Wish the guy that used to do that weird Junior one would get his finger out.😀

Forgot about that. Creating some algorithmic thing when there was an actual league table available as a way of discerning which teams were doing well. The gorm.

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I'm still unclear as to why you have 9 teams highlighted in red at the bottom. It's a maximum of 8 teams going down, but most likely to be 7 or 6.
What was the reason for the late call off of your game yesterday?
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23 minutes ago, glensmad said:

I'm still unclear as to why you have 9 teams highlighted in red at the bottom. It's a maximum of 8 teams going down, but most likely to be 7 or 6.

7 to make way for the three Conference Winners and the WoS Premier Champion not winning promotion.

8+9 to make way for the possibility of two teams relegated from the LL and the WoS Premier Champion fails to win promotion. No particular risk of actually happening with the way the LL is going.

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7 to make way for the three Conference Winners and the WoS Premier Champion not winning promotion.
8+9 to make way for the possibility of two teams relegated from the LL and the WoS Premier Champion fails to win promotion. No particular risk of actually happening with the way the LL is going.
Two teams cannot be relegated into the WoSFL from the LL.
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13 minutes ago, glensmad said:
17 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
7 to make way for the three Conference Winners and the WoS Premier Champion not winning promotion.
8+9 to make way for the possibility of two teams relegated from the LL and the WoS Premier Champion fails to win promotion. No particular risk of actually happening with the way the LL is going.

Two teams cannot be relegated into the WoSFL from the LL.

At the start of any season there's the possibilty of the LL relegating two clubs and those two clubs falling into the WoSFL catchment area.

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The promotion and relegation agreement between the four leagues allows for one team to be relegated and one team to be promoted. Any change to the four leagues agreement has to be agreed by all parties to the agreement.

The LL already has more than 16 teams in their league at the moment.

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11 minutes ago, glensmad said:

The promotion and relegation agreement between the four leagues allows for one team to be relegated and one team to be promoted. Any change to the four leagues agreement has to be agreed by all parties to the agreement.

The LL already has more than 16 teams in their league at the moment.

It's not a change. The LL has always had the possibility of relegating two clubs once it maxed out at 16 clubs, and so the Lower Pyramid Play-off rules have accounted for more than one club being relegated.

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43 minutes ago, glensmad said:
47 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
7 to make way for the three Conference Winners and the WoS Premier Champion not winning promotion.
8+9 to make way for the possibility of two teams relegated from the LL and the WoS Premier Champion fails to win promotion. No particular risk of actually happening with the way the LL is going.

Two teams cannot be relegated into the WoSFL from the LL.

It can happen if an HL club replaces Club 42 who are then in turn relegated into the LL because at that point second bottom in the LL also gets relegated to keep the LL at 16 (or 18 with the colt teams). It's just a hypothetical this season though because none of the WoS catchment clubs are likely to be in either 17th or 18th place.

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It can't happen without the agreement of each of the parties to the 4 Leagues agreement. That's why the West Region SJFA couldn't become part of the pyramid instead of the WoSFL, because any changes to the 4 Leagues agreement need to be approved by all parties.

The official rules of the WoSFL Premier Division (formally rubber-stamped by the Scottish FA and published on the Scottish FA Live Club Admin Site) makes no reference to the possibility of 2 teams being relegated into the league from the LL and 9 teams being relegated from the Premier Division. It does refer in detail to the various options for 6, 7 or 8 teams being relegated from the Premier Division with one or no teams relegated from the LL.

The WoSFL have never at any point informed the clubs that 9 teams being relegated from the Premier Division was a possibility, and none of the graphics produced by the WoSFL have given any such indication either.

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21 minutes ago, glensmad said:

It can't happen without the agreement of each of the parties to the 4 Leagues agreement. That's why the West Region SJFA couldn't become part of the pyramid instead of the WoSFL, ...

I was one of the first people on here to grasp that about the EoS having a veto over SJFA pyramid entry and actively tried to explain it to SJFA linked people on here when Tom Johnston was banging on about board directives with little success. There is near zero chance of the two teams relegated to the WoS scenario that is being described unfolding this season so it's not something that is worth making a huge fuss about at this point. By the sounds of things George Fraser & co failed to convey the full implications of LL rules when the playoff rules were being discussed with your league. No shock there. There have been several similar cock ups by the LL in recent years.

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