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17 hours ago, oaksoft said:

You deliberately cut out half the joke to make it look like his joke had ended there.

The joke wasn't about trans women having a penis. It was about pronouns and those who think enforcing them is the way forwards. No other comedian has made that specific subtle point. He did it twice. Firstly with the "her penis" line and then he reinforced it with the rape bit where the joke was that the misuse of pronouns was taken as worse than the threat of physical rape. In that sense it was original and clever.

By missing out two whole lines you deliberately misrepresented his joke to make it look like it was just another Bernard Manning style joke. It wasn't.

By all means, find it unfunny. That's your right. But treating everyone like idiots isn't helping your cause.

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4 hours ago, milton75 said:

3) Smalltime comic creator considers that comment to p***k his ego, and says "don't you realise this is a great thing for me? Please don't take away the happiness of the moment", or words to that effect.
4) Fan replies apologising but also mentioning that being admonished by smalltime comic creator has triggered his anxiety and he's now feeling publicly shamed.

Can't help but think that if you don't want the apples, don't shake the tree.

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2 hours ago, ParsJake said:

Can't help but think that if you don't want the apples, don't shake the tree.

Well, yes. Exactly right. 

But in the age of social media and public personas, any response to anything is "shaking the tree".

When it comes down to it the dichotomy I have is that in principle I want to not be a c-nt. And I hope others feel likewise. Then I encounter the actual individual people that make up any group in society, marginalised or otherwise, and I regularly find myself at best irritated.
I don't think I like people.

 

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8 hours ago, milton75 said:

And at the moment it does seem to me that the likes of Gervais are happy to say things about the trans community that they would no longer say about gay people or black people and so on and so forth.
And then in 5 years maybe no-one mainstream will be making trans jokes, but we'll be looking at something else being exposed as unacceptable. And that's fine. Society is fluid, and we should try to develop and not hurt others.

I would agree with the sentiment here.

I would add though that nobody is "punching" anyone - up or down.

It's just jokes and anyone actually watching Gervais would see that.

And the reason he's picking the trans community right now?

Because it's a relatively new topic news-wise and whether the more woke amongst us like it or not, the average person on the street is fucking baffled about why a person with a penis is calling themselves a woman and why he is being publicly attacked for even asking questions about it. People are afraid to talk about it. So people like Gervais are making jokes on the back of that. It becomes a release for people to see someone raise issues they think about by cracking jokes.

But like all topics of humour, it has a shelf-life. If the perma-offended had two brain cells to rub together they'd let it pass. It'll be faster that way.

We no longer hear jokes by mainstream comedians about women, blacks, gays and a host of others, not because it's taboo but because it's all been said before. And as a society, mainstream people barely bat an eyelid at gays and blacks now. It's all tied together.

The trans jokes will fade away sooner rather than later and maybe even comedians like Gervais, Carr and Boyle will fade away into obscurity. Not before they've earned millions though. I believe Gervais was paid £40m for that single televised show. That is extraordinary if true.

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1 hour ago, oaksoft said:

We no longer hear jokes by mainstream comedians about women, blacks, gays and a host of others, not because it's taboo but because it's all been said before. And as a society, mainstream people barely bat an eyelid at gays and blacks now. It's all tied together.

It's the exact same jokes, every single time. Tired hackneyed jokes by rubbish "comedians" who peaked 20 years ago. Absolutely nothing to add so they pick on a minority for cheap laughs. It's just a different minority each time. 

But no, according to you Ricky Gervais is making a nuanced, subtle point about pronouns

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Most people haven't met a trans person so they're an easy target, only comeback he's likely to get is on twitter where he's likely to get as many praises for ridiculing them. He's always been very careful to pick targets who aren't powerful or might be able to damage his career.

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1 hour ago, Mr. Brightside said:

It's the exact same jokes, every single time. Tired hackneyed jokes by rubbish "comedians" who peaked 20 years ago. Absolutely nothing to add so they pick on a minority for cheap laughs. It's just a different minority each time. 

But no, according to you Ricky Gervais is making a nuanced, subtle point about pronouns

That's right.

More importantly he has annoyed the shit out of the right type of people. Some of the over-reactions have been funnier than his show.

The state some of you are getting into over a few jokes is quite frankly lamentable but it's your problem, not mine.

I've watched the show, laughed at parts of it. And moved on.

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1 minute ago, oaksoft said:

Really?

Then you haven't been paying attention to his Golden Globes speeches.

He slaughtered some people on stage who then told him to go elsewhere for funding for his next film.

What do you gain from saying stuff that isn't true? Is it just that usual warm glow of self righteousness? Or is there some greater purpose to all of this?

And he got invited back, and the money keeps rolling in, he's not stupid about who he targets. Jokes haven't changed much.

 

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22 hours ago, Satoshi said:

Ricky Gervais really isn't even a stand up comedian, I'm surprised anyone is paying for or watching his shows.

 

Here's an old Frankie Boyle bit that seems relevant, again. 

So I was thinking about all this recently, right, I was watching Netflix .. and I watched Ricky Gervaises new stand-up special and he does a big bit in it about trans women.

Now, I've got but love for trans women, nothing but love and support for trans folk in general. But they themselves would admit it's a very contentious that people try not to talk about. And Ricky Gervais obviously, he's a very powerful guy in show business. So nobody really who had the best years of their careers ahead of them would tell you what they thought of that routine.

Ricky Gervais, he does maybe fifteen minutes where he goes: well, if a trans woman can say that they are a woman, I can say that I'm a chimpanzee, I'm a chimpanzee: and my genuine reaction was, it's not that much weirder then Ricky Gervais saying that he's a stand-up comedian.

I mean look, we know Ricky Gervais, he's a brilliant actor, he's a brilliant writer, he's not a fucking stand-up comedian. Just cause Ricky Gervais self-identifies as a stand-up comedian, am I supposed to say he is one. It's fucking political correctness gone mad. (applause)

Also, loving animals brilliant, wonderful, going on about loving animals suspect. So I watched the whole of Ricky Gervaises show. I felt a bit like Fred Astaire watching a guy in calipers fall down an escalator."

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2 hours ago, oaksoft said:

That's right.

More importantly he has annoyed the shit out of the right type of people. Some of the over-reactions have been funnier than his show.

The state some of you are getting into over a few jokes is quite frankly lamentable but it's your problem, not mine.

I've watched the show, laughed at parts of it. And moved on.

There is nothing subtle or new about his comments on pronouns.

What state are "some of us" in exactly? Pointing out that Gervais is a rubbish stand-up comic who is picking on a minority to get his laughs from, which is more than likely a thin veneer to hide behind when he actually just dislikes trans people, like how almost all TERFs hide behind "women's right" to have a go at the trans community. Yeah some "state" right enough.

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5 minutes ago, Albus Bulbasaur said:

Gervais is more talented than Boyle and less odious and offensive.

Wrong, wrong and wrong.

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1 minute ago, RawB93 said:

Wrong, wrong and wrong.

Frankie Boyle hasn't done anything decent outwith stand up. Gervais wrote The Office...

I don't think Gervais has said anything nearly as bad as Frankie Boyle did when he was mocking people with downsyndrome but tbf I've not watched loads of Gervais stand up stuff so there might be something equally as outrageous in there.

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7 hours ago, Mr. Brightside said:

What state are "some of us" in exactly?

Oaksoft spent years being laughed at for being a hair-trigger rage monster about shit that didn't affect him at all. After trying an unsuccessful 'zen' phase, the latest tactic appears to be pretending that it's the rest of the world that's angry about the things he's angry about.

You'd get yourself some therapy by this point, surely.

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I should have turned off the Gervais special when his audience were in hysterics at him saying cûnt presumably they are all adults at his gigs yet they carry on like children laughing like it's the funniest thing on earth when he's just using something in common parlance as a punch line.

If it wasn't for the Trans "jokes" everyone would be taking about him losing his edge.

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