BFTD Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, velo army said: This is the issue for me. I know that "cancel culture" can be the war cry of someone who has merely been held accountable within reason, but I do find it worrying that it's becoming normal to have your art investigated by the police because one person became offended by it. I'd prefer it if the polis dismissed this shite out of hand tbqhwy. The polis have such a long and storied history of dingying anything and everything if they can get away with it, that I'm perfectly happy with them having to trek down to a shite comedy show to work out for themselves that they're having their time wasted. Bear in mind that they've been more than happy to be used as a blunt tool to destroy actual transgressive art for as long as they've been around. Having to listen to Joe Lycett is a minimal punishment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 17 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: 1 hour ago, Busta Nut said: What's she doing now? Her name was brought up on an interview with Warner Bros as part of question, interviewer immediately asked to move to next question... The lady just doesn't exist Good, she's an absolute c**t that wrote some shite books. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mr. Brightside said: Good, she's an absolute c**t that wrote some shite books. What sort of person says that women menstruate, a justified cancellation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 24 minutes ago, bennett said: What sort of person says that women menstruate, a justified cancellation. JK likely doesn't, at her age, but I'm happy to still say she's a woman if that's how she chooses to identify herself. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velo army Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 9 minutes ago, oaksoft said: This trans debate does beg a couple of questions. If gender is not based on your sex at birth, then what exactly is a man and what exactly is a woman? I can't recall hearing a good description of either which doesn't involve sex chromosomes. Anyone on here feel brave enough to have a stab at either definition? There's a thread on this very forum called "The Gender Debate". Fill yer boots. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 1 hour ago, velo army said: This is the issue for me. I know that "cancel culture" can be the war cry of someone who has merely been held accountable within reason, but I do find it worrying that it's becoming normal to have your art investigated by the police because one person became offended by it. I'd prefer it if the polis dismissed this shite out of hand tbqhwy. Is it more normal ? I can't think of many more examples. The police didn't investigate because someone reported being offended by a joke, they reported what they said was child pornography. That's a wild take IMO and that's what the police said too but they have to look into it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velo army Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 1 hour ago, BFTD said: The polis have such a long and storied history of dingying anything and everything if they can get away with it, that I'm perfectly happy with them having to trek down to a shite comedy show to work out for themselves that they're having their time wasted. Bear in mind that they've been more than happy to be used as a blunt tool to destroy actual transgressive art for as long as they've been around. Having to listen to Joe Lycett is a minimal punishment. You think it's shite, and you think he's shite. I get that. But "I don't mind the polis sticking their neb into art so long as it's art I don't like" can't be your position, surely. I don't want comedians having to continually look over their shoulders lest their joke be misinterpreted (wilfully or otherwise) by someone and potentially destroy their careers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velo army Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 11 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: Is it more normal ? I can't think of many more examples. The police didn't investigate because someone reported being offended by a joke, they reported what they said was child pornography. That's a wild take IMO and that's what the police said too but they have to look into it I think the Jimmy Carr gypsy joke resulted in a polis complaint or two. There have been others lately, but I can't for the life of me remember who. What I'm seeing a lot is a culture where people aren't encouraged to take responsibility for their feelings or to engage in introspection. Sometimes the intention behind comedy is to shine a light on hypocrisy and double standards, so it behoves us to have a word with ourselves about what this offended reaction is within us, where it comes from and what we can do going forward. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, oaksoft said: This trans debate does beg a couple of questions. If gender is not based on your sex at birth, then what exactly is a man and what exactly is a woman? I can't recall hearing a good description of either which doesn't involve sex chromosomes. Anyone on here feel brave enough to have a stab at either definition? There are a small number of people who don't feel a connection with the gender they're assigned with at birth. What they do about that is up to them, and it's absurd that people are suddenly getting so concerned about such a rare thing that's occurred for millennia. Why are you bothered about it, for instance? Do you have a friend who's trying to work their way through it? Your question is like the gotcha ones politicians get these days, "Does a woman have a vagina, yes or no?". They usually rightfully answer that it's not as simple as that, and get castigated by the twitter hysterics. Edited July 1, 2022 by welshbairn 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 42 minutes ago, oaksoft said: This trans debate does beg a couple of questions. If gender is not based on your sex at birth, then what exactly is a man and what exactly is a woman? I can't recall hearing a good description of either which doesn't involve sex chromosomes. Anyone on here feel brave enough to have a stab at either definition? Yes. I'm goin' out tonight, I'm feelin' alright Gonna let it all hang out Wanna make some noise, really raise my voice Yeah, I wanna scream and shout, uh No inhibitions, make no conditions Get a little outta line I ain't gonna act politically correct I only wanna have a good time The best thing about bein' a woman Is the prerogative to have a little fun and Oh, oh, oh, go totally crazy, forget I'm a lady Men's shirts, short skirts Oh, oh, oh, really go wild, yeah, doin' it in style Oh, oh, oh, get in the action, feel the attraction Color my hair, do what I dare Oh, oh, oh, I wanna be free, yeah, to feel the way I feel Man, I feel like a woman (hey!) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 15 minutes ago, velo army said: You think it's shite, and you think he's shite. I get that. But "I don't mind the polis sticking their neb into art so long as it's art I don't like" can't be your position, surely. I don't want comedians having to continually look over their shoulders lest their joke be misinterpreted (wilfully or otherwise) by someone and potentially destroy their careers. No, and I really don't know how you're getting that from what I said. Think you're pretty safe from comedians having to continually look over their shoulders lest their joke be misinterpreted (wilfully or otherwise) by someone and potentially destroying their careers. It seems to go unnoticed, but anyone that the press has claimed has been "cancelled" seems to have done remarkably well out of it. Almost like it's bullshit hype designed to sell papers, generate retweets, and make money. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velo army Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 57 minutes ago, BFTD said: No, and I really don't know how you're getting that from what I said. Think you're pretty safe from comedians having to continually look over their shoulders lest their joke be misinterpreted (wilfully or otherwise) by someone and potentially destroying their careers. It seems to go unnoticed, but anyone that the press has claimed has been "cancelled" seems to have done remarkably well out of it. Almost like it's bullshit hype designed to sell papers, generate retweets, and make money. Fair enough. I read "I'm perfectly happy with them having to trek down to a shite comedy show to work out for themselves that they're having their time wasted." and took too much of a leap in interpretation. I actually am not happy that the police go down to see for themselves, as that in itself can be intimidating. It represents the possibility of prosecution for saying the wrong thing or making the wrong joke. I understand that a lot of the times "cancel culture" is as you say, bullshit hype where people have done well out of it (see Robinson, Tommy and a host of similar grifters), but the presence of a whole host of folk who have merely been held to account and faced consequences doesn't mean that there isn't an increase in puritanical censoriousness and threats of livelihood being taken away for those who don't conform, or who voice opinions counter to what is accepted. Making it fairly normal for police to investigate jokes for being offensive is regressive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satoshi Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 On 22/06/2022 at 16:54, ICTChris said: https://www.thecut.com/article/cancel-culture-high-school-teens.html Really depressing article whichever way you look at it. No-one comes out of this well. I had previously thought that homeschooling was for nutcase fundamentalist yanks but reading this, I can see the attraction. Excellent article and worth putting it back on this new page. What a terrible time it is to be a young person, and it seems rehabilitation is not possible in such a toxic culture. And it makes a very valid point that teenagers minds are not fully developed, this is exactly the time of their life to be making stupid mistakes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deej Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Has anyone ever cancelled themselves so emphatically as this stupid old b*****d? https://news.sky.com/story/bernie-ecclestone-says-he-would-take-a-bullet-for-first-class-vladimir-putin-as-he-defends-war-in-ukraine-12642942 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Has anyone ever cancelled themselves so emphatically as this stupid old b*****d? https://news.sky.com/story/bernie-ecclestone-says-he-would-take-a-bullet-for-first-class-vladimir-putin-as-he-defends-war-in-ukraine-1264294291 year old billionaire....Take the whole fucking lot off him. Someone that senile with that amount of money is dangerous. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 7 hours ago, invergowrie arab said: Is it more normal ? I can't think of many more examples. The police didn't investigate because someone reported being offended by a joke, they reported what they said was child pornography. That's a wild take IMO and that's what the police said too but they have to look into it So long as they then charge the complainant with wasting police time or similar, if it turns out to be a stack of fucking nonsense. 6 hours ago, BFTD said: It seems to go unnoticed, but anyone that the press has claimed has been "cancelled" seems to have done remarkably well out of it. Almost like it's bullshit hype designed to sell papers, generate retweets, and make money. An argument that people with a high profile still have a high profile and so therefore canceling can't be an issue is circular and runs the very obvious risk of observation bias. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 28 minutes ago, deej said: Has anyone ever cancelled themselves so emphatically as this stupid old b*****d? https://news.sky.com/story/bernie-ecclestone-says-he-would-take-a-bullet-for-first-class-vladimir-putin-as-he-defends-war-in-ukraine-12642942 That's not even in the top ten of Ecclestone gaffes, and as a high profile billionaire, he will be going precisely nowhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Lewis Hamilton trying to cancel old folk. "Why are we listening to older voices?" I get that the three guys he is targeting (Jackie Stewart, Piquet and Ecclestone) have been outrageous but to then try to shut up all older people? One day, a 60 year old Hamilton might be the one being cancelled as he will be out of touch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Her name was brought up on an interview with Warner Bros as part of question, interviewer immediately asked to move to next question... The lady just doesn't existTbf every chance she's in Hollywood Jail for crimes against screenwriting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 I see the Heads Gone thread's been cancelled again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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