Dee Man Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, throbber said: His name was Derek Bird and that happened a month before Moat on 2 June 2010. He killed his own twin brother first then drove about shooting and killing another 11 people before killing himself. Apparently a very nice guy as well. I'm sure I've written this before but I was in that area when it was all kicking off. Very much a case if It could have been me considering he was taking pop shots at randoms. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Just now, Dee Man said: I'm sure I've written this before but I was in that area when it was all kicking off. Very much a case if It could have been me considering he was taking pop shots at randoms. Aye I remember you saying actually. It was in Cumbria. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, throbber said: His name was Derek Bird and that happened a month before Moat on 2 June 2010. He killed his own twin brother first then drove about shooting and killing another 11 people before killing himself. Apparently a very nice guy as well. 12 dead but it was a mundane loner going over the edge. It lacked the celebrity input Moaty had. If Bird had holed up in the Stan Laurel museum or kidnapped Gavin and Helen Skelton he might be up there with the great comedy murderers of the UK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, throbber said: He was driving about asking people how their day was before pulling the shotgun out and shooting them. Glad to hear he kept basic civilities even at a time of some tension, unlike most of the youth of today. Edited July 4, 2020 by welshbairn 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: 12 dead but it was a mundane loner going over the edge. It lacked the celebrity input Moaty had. If Bird had holed up in the Stan Laurel museum or kidnapped Gavin and Helen Skelton he might be up there with the great comedy murderers of the UK. Yeah I know I said a further 11 dead after shooting his brother which obviously was the beginning of his meltdown. Tbqh I imagine most of us imagine going on a killing spree from time to time, Bird had a pretty boring life by the sounds of it and probably wanted to go out in flames. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Sergeant Wilson said: 12 dead but it was a mundane loner going over the edge. It lacked the celebrity input Moaty had. If Bird had holed up in the Stan Laurel museum or kidnapped Gavin and Helen Skelton he might be up there with the great comedy murderers of the UK. Aye, the Gazza episode is probably the only reason the Raoul Moat thing has lived on in folk memory while the Cumbria one's pretty much been forgotten. For the Cumbria shootings to stick in people's minds they really needed Melvyn Bragg showing up steaming at some point in the proceedings with cans, a bag of mixed pakora and a swingball set. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, throbber said: Aye I remember you saying actually. It was in Cumbria. Used to drive by his house in Rowrah a few times a month afterwards and it was unsurprisingly boarded up for a while. Here's his street of bleak terraced houses off Google maps for anyone who is even remotely interested. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 25 minutes ago, throbber said: I was going to post similar about how it doesn’t get spoken about as much as Moat considering how many people this guy killed. He was a taxi driver who was an all round pretty placid guy by all accounts who clearly just snapped. He was driving about asking people how their day was before pulling the shotgun out and shooting them. Just absolutely awful stuff. Moat only killed his girlfriends new partner and then himself, he shot and blinded a police officer who took his own life years later. He shot his ex as well and spread a bit of fear and alarm in the vicinity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandon Par Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 All amateurs compared to Michael Ryan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Shandon Par said: All amateurs compared to Michael Ryan. He was much like Bird. There is a commonality in most of the spree shootings in this country. Most wouldn't have been news much outside Newcastle if Gazza hadn't turned up. Hamilton shot children which set him apart. Usually, despite the horror people move on and the incident needs a hook to stay in the memory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Shandon Par said: All amateurs compared to Michael Ryan. Ah yes, the Hungerford Massacre. Apparently his mother was partly to blame for that one. She asked Michael to shoot up the town and get a pint of milk. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted July 4, 2020 Author Share Posted July 4, 2020 Was that also not the time that boy killed some prostitutes with a crossbow and called himself The Crossbow Killer in court then topped himself when these other guys upped the ante and knocked him out the papersHe called himself the Crossbow Cannibal and hasn’t killed himself as far as I know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamamafegan Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Just been reading on Wikipedia about Derrick Bird. The description of events unfolding is terrifying. Boys completely lost it.Sounds like a combination of numerous things that made him snap. Resigned from his job at the nuclear plant after allegations of theft, got beat up by fare dodgers 3 yrs previously and wasn’t the same after, was being investigated by HMRC over tax evasion, lost money after he sent a grand to his Thai “girlfriend” and she dumped him afterwards [emoji23] and a family feud over his fathers will. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 35 minutes ago, Dee Man said: They must be freezing, nae front door and stairs straight up to the bedrooms. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 48 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Glad to hear he kept basic civilities even at a time of some tension, unlike most of the youth of today. We won't see his like again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1885 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 The Friday night when it all came to an end was great tele. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1885 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 His name was Derek Bird and that happened a month before Moat on 2 June 2010. He killed his own twin brother first then drove about shooting and killing another 11 people before killing himself. Apparently a very nice guy as well.Aye sounds it. Salt of the earth, couldn't do more for you. Very good. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Wilkos Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Rest in piece (RIP) Raoul Moat.1 decade - not forgetten. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, jamamafegan said: Just been reading on Wikipedia about Derrick Bird. The description of events unfolding is terrifying. Boys completely lost it. Sounds like a combination of numerous things that made him snap. Resigned from his job at the nuclear plant after allegations of theft, got beat up by fare dodgers 3 yrs previously and wasn’t the same after, was being investigated by HMRC over tax evasion, lost money after he sent a grand to his Thai “girlfriend” and she dumped him afterwards and a family feud over his fathers will. When I first came back up the road I worked for Action Fraud for a while. Used to take all these stories of fraud by people who had been duped and, although you had to appear sympathetic, most of the time ye just thought "You fell for that? You fucking plum" almost all of them would then recount stories similar to the one above: the fraud was usually after a bunch of other things that had went tits up. Kinda separate from the Raoul Moat thing but an interesting aside I just realised now. Anyway no-one's yet mentioned the most fucked up part of the story: a Geordie called Raoul 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, Rob1885 said: 1 hour ago, throbber said: His name was Derek Bird and that happened a month before Moat on 2 June 2010. He killed his own twin brother first then drove about shooting and killing another 11 people before killing himself. Apparently a very nice guy as well. Aye sounds it. Salt of the earth, couldn't do more for you. Very good. Well what I mean was that he completely snapped out of the blue and didn’t have a violent history like Moat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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