West Region title investigation

[Wile E Coyote]

8 minutes ago, Bawrash1 said:

If you read it right it says it was an individual who leaked the email not a club and there was no proof of who it was but I say good on them whoever it is for doing it as it just shows you the corruption involved in Scottish football.

You are still bandying about words like corruption despite the independent enquiry finding nothing of the sort.

No one likes a grass

Edited July 1, 2020 by Wile E Coyote

[andy25]

[emoji1787]

If you read it right it says it was an individual who leaked the email not a club and there was no proof of who it was but I say good on them whoever it is for doing it as it just shows you the corruption involved in Scottish football.

[Dev]

2 hours ago, Junior Pub League said:

Really?

Do you think the people of Turkmenistan are pishing themselves over Hearts throwing the toys out of the pram to cover the incompetence of the people running the club?

Do you think the good citizenship of Malaysia are this morning having a laugh over shenanigans in a now dead Junior league?

Do you think the proletariat of  Canada are awaiting the next tear stained missive from Falkirk so they can have a chortle?

No one outside of Scotland cares for Scottish football and the misguided notion that they do is baffling in the extreme. In the exact same way that nobody in Scotland really gives a toss about football and how its run in, for example, Denmark or PNG.

"Over the past 3 months the Scottish game has been the laughing stock" ..............

Partly correct, in my view, FWIW, as, within the country too many of those who are bothered about Scottish football have regarded it as a laughing stock for much longer than a few months.

In the context of semi-professional football even the much respected Panel which investigated the CC affair voluntarily commented as follows. Note the content of the BOLD type:

CONCLUSIONS
Panel has considered all evidence, all recordings (which were immensely helpful and far better than
any ‘minute’), the rules of SJFA and WR, and the aforementioned relevant policies of good
governance of SJFA, as well as communicating with various key people involved in the process.
In terms of the constitution and rules of the WR the panel found these were not overly helpful to us.
In fact the rules generally are archaic in places and our strong recommendation would have been,
were the WR to be continuing (which as we are aware it is not due to all 63 clubs leaving for the new
league) then a complete re-write of the constitution and rules would be essential.

The key word is archaic. This is the root cause as to why the Juniors have been decimated and replaced with those who want to look forward without fear, respecting the past, but not dining out on it for ever! 

True supporters of any club which has been associated with what happened re CC will be uncomfortable about what happened, and I don't mean the "leak" to the media.

Edited July 1, 2020 by Dev
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[santheman]

1 hour ago, Dev said:

"Over the past 3 months the Scottish game has been the laughing stock" ..............

Partly correct, in my view, FWIW, as, within the country too many of those who are bothered about Scottish football have regarded it as a laughing stock for much longer than a few months.

In the context of semi-professional football even the much respected Panel which investigated the CC affair voluntarily commented as follows. Note the content of the BOLD type:

CONCLUSIONS
Panel has considered all evidence, all recordings (which were immensely helpful and far better than
any ‘minute’), the rules of SJFA and WR, and the aforementioned relevant policies of good
governance of SJFA, as well as communicating with various key people involved in the process.
In terms of the constitution and rules of the WR the panel found these were not overly helpful to us.
In fact the rules generally are archaic in places and our strong recommendation would have been,
were the WR to be continuing (which as we are aware it is not due to all 63 clubs leaving for the new
league) then a complete re-write of the constitution and rules would be essential.

The key word is archaic. This is the root cause as to why the Juniors have been decimated and replaced with those who want to look forward without fear, respecting the past, but not dining out on it for ever! 

True supporters of any club which has been associated with what happened re CC will be uncomfortable about what happened, and I don't mean the "leak" to the media.

To be fair the clubs had been saying exactly the same thing about archaic rules for years but none ever took the bull by the horns and tried to change them

[allyg1977]

If you read it right it says it was an individual who leaked the email not a club and there was no proof of who it was but I say good on them whoever it is for doing it as it just shows you the corruption involved in Scottish football.

Bawrash1 it was a Cumnock committee member that leaked the information from cumnock email so if Cumnock can't identify who leaked it then the club will be looked at in a different way and will have to bear the brunt of it . Unfortunately people don't forget things like this and no one will trust cumnock again

[Wile E Coyote]

10 minutes ago, allyg1977 said:

3 hours ago, Bawrash1 said:

If you read it right it says it was an individual who leaked the email not a club and there was no proof of who it was but I say good on them whoever it is for doing it as it just shows you the corruption involved in Scottish football.

Bawrash1 it was a Cumnock committee member that leaked the information from cumnock email so if Cumnock can't identify who leaked it then the club will be looked at in a different way and will have to bear the brunt of it . Unfortunately people don't forget things like this and no one will trust cumnock again

Correct. Whoever it was at Townhead Viperdome that leaked it was not on some moral crusade to clean up Scottish football.

It was a cynical and vindictive attempt to tarnish Talbot's name and to an extent it succeeded but nothing changed, Talbot are still Champions and will enter the Scottish Cup next season.

It has certainly done irreparable damage to Cumnock's reputation. They have shown to be underhand snakes who can't be trusted

[Bawrash1]

Bawrash1 it was a Cumnock committee member that leaked the information from cumnock email so if Cumnock can't identify who leaked it then the club will be looked at in a different way and will have to bear the brunt of it . Unfortunately people don't forget things like this and no one will trust cumnock again

And nobody from Cumnock will give a flying f##k tbh. The person responsible for leaking the email deserves a pat on the back.

[Bawrash1]

Correct. Whoever it was at Townhead Viperdome that leaked it was not on some moral crusade to clean up Scottish football.
It was a cynical and vindictive attempt to tarnish Talbot's name and to an extent it succeeded but nothing changed, Talbot are still Champions and will enter the Scottish Cup next season.
It has certainly done irreparable damage to Cumnock's reputation. They have shown to be underhand snakes who can't be trusted

Irreparable damage Hahahahaha stay off the glue.

[Stag Nation]

1 hour ago, Bawrash1 said:

Irreparable damage Hahahahaha stay off the glue.

Indeed. it's in the same league as "Scottish football is a laughing stock around the world".

[classof2010]

You are still bandying about words like corruption despite the independent enquiry finding nothing of the sort.
No one likes a grass

And talbot fans are still bandying about words like Chisholm was exonerated despite the independent enquiry not saying that in fact they said he shud of got off the bus at the garage before it left.

[Wile E Coyote]

17 minutes ago, classof2010 said:

And talbot fans are still bandying about words like Chisholm was exonerated despite the independent enquiry not saying that in fact they said he shud of got off the bus at the garage before it left.

Quote me one post that says that please, One will do

[classof2010]

Quote me one post that says that please, One will do

will that do

[Wile E Coyote]

33 minutes ago, classof2010 said:

will that do

Don't see anything about a Talbot fan saying he was exonerated there. I therefore assume you are unable to back up your blusterings like every other post you have made on the matter

Edited July 1, 2020 by Wile E Coyote

[Arthurlie1981]

To be fair the clubs had been saying exactly the same thing about archaic rules for years but none ever took the bull by the horns and tried to change them

Clubs have tried and been shot down. Even rules that changed have been met with derision from members of the management committee and supposed neutral members.

[Arthurlie1981]

For me this whole thing could have been avoided if the clubs had been allowed a vote and not the management committee taking a decision.

[glensmad]

Clubs have tried and been shot down. Even rules that changed have been met with derision from members of the management committee and supposed neutral members.

There was a culture of tacit acceptance in meetings of the West Region clubs for a long time, and that's why the likes of Option Z was passed almost unanimously. The reasons for that culture can only really be explained by those who attended. I have my own theory which probably mirrors that of many others.

That culture started to change when Scott Robertson left his role as Secretary.

The breaking point for the West Region came just a few days before the Extra General meeting in March when Matt Bamford (the President at the time) rightly chose his club's position over the Region's and threw his hat in the ring with the clubs looking to leave the organisation.

It was at that meeting when things started to really change. Several clubs sent different delegates to that meeting, and awkward questions were asked. The meeting didn't go fully to the script the top table had written, and you could see the discomfort at the top table.

Here we are a few months on with the West Region now ended.

[classof2010]

Don't see anything about a Talbot fan saying he was exonerated there. I therefore assume you are unable to back up your blusterings like every other post you have made on the matter

Go on the Facebook page as a fan I’m sure you are on it

[classof2010]

Don't see anything about a Talbot fan saying he was exonerated there. I therefore assume you are unable to back up your blusterings like every other post you have made on the matter

Is that enough

[Wile E Coyote]

So you still can't quote me a post from here where a Talbot fans mentions exonerated

[Tutankhamen]

47 minutes ago, glensmad said:

There was a culture of tacit acceptance in meetings of the West Region clubs for a long time, and that's why the likes of Option Z was passed almost unanimously. The reasons for that culture can only really be explained by those who attended. I have my own theory which probably mirrors that of many others.

That culture started to change when Scott Robertson left his role as Secretary.

The breaking point for the West Region came just a few days before the Extra General meeting in March when Matt Bamford (the President at the time) rightly chose his club's position over the Region's and threw his hat in the ring with the clubs looking to leave the organisation.

It was at that meeting when things started to really change. Several clubs sent different delegates to that meeting, and awkward questions were asked. The meeting didn't go fully to the script the top table had written, and you could see the discomfort at the top table.

Here we are a few months on with the West Region now ended.

Are you defending the rednecks in the SJWR committee?