Serious incident in Glasgow

[welshbairn]

19 minutes ago, 101 said:

Shoot them in the legs then?

Body mass is where they aim and it will almost always kill the suspect.

Too easy to miss, especially if he's moving. You shouldn't be shooting him at all if you don't need to use the easiest method of stopping him immediately.

[Sergeant Wilson]

4 minutes ago, Barry Ferguson's Hat said:

My mate works for the Armed Response Unit and he was saying that since the turn of the century officers have been, first and foremost, trained to shoot down the chandelier, ultimately pinning the suspect to the ground.

He reckons that the chandelier in the Park Inn stairwell was either too small to properly incapacitate the suspect or that it had been temporarily removed for maintenance.

In this scenario officers are, as has been alluded to above, trained to shoot the knife (or any other weapon, for that matter) out of the suspect's hand. Given the location of the incident, it's highly likely the suspect was sliding down the banister with the knife between his/her teeth, giving the officers no option but to aim for the torso.

Head for bum first?

[Barry Ferguson's Hat]

5 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

Head for bum first?

Depends on whether the suspect was sliding up or down the banister.

[welshbairn]

1 minute ago, Barry Ferguson's Hat said:

Depends on whether the suspect was sliding up or down the banister.

I'd go on full automatic and take out the banister struts.

[Melanius Mullarkey]

17 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

Head for bum first?

I bet you say that to all the boys.

[Sergeant Wilson]

8 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

I'd go on full automatic and take out the banister struts.

Use a blunderbuss, take everything.

[beefybake]

1 hour ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

They ‘shoot to stop’ which generally means target the biggest area on the subject to avoid hitting anyone else. Counter terrorism firearms officers have different training which involves killing the subject regardless, ie if an explosive vest is observed etc.

In which case, as a follow on to your previous comment, a reasonable question to ask might be whether in this case the man

with the trigger finger was a   'counter terrorism firearms officer' or the everyday armed policeman.

Edited June 27, 2020 by beefybake

[peasy23]

Use a blunderbuss, take everything.

Armed policing Sergeant Wilson style.

[John Lambies Doos]

Should have shot him in the baws

[Hillonearth]

5 minutes ago, peasy23 said:

Armed policing Sergeant Wilson style.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

In which case, as a follow on to your previous comment, a reasonable question to ask might be whether in this case the man

with the trigger finger was a   'counter terrorism firearms officer' or the everyday armed policeman.

I’d probably bet it wasnt a ctsfo.

[welshbairn]

Saying on the radio that it was a Sudanese asylum seeker who was told the day before that he was going to be deported.

[Have some faith in Magic]

1 hour ago, Barry Ferguson's Hat said:

My mate works for the Armed Response Unit and he was saying that since the turn of the century officers have been, first and foremost, trained to shoot down the chandelier, ultimately pinning the suspect to the ground.

He reckons that the chandelier in the Park Inn stairwell was either too small to properly incapacitate the suspect or that it had been temporarily removed for maintenance.

In this scenario officers are, as has been alluded to above, trained to shoot the knife (or any other weapon, for that matter) out of the suspect's hand. Given the location of the incident, it's highly likely the suspect was sliding down the banister with the knife between his/her teeth, giving the officers no option but to aim for the torso.

Should have got Del, Rodney and uncle Uncle Albert to sort the chandelier out. 

[Joe Terrapin]

2 hours ago, MONKMAN said:

 

It’s the first time the police have ever shot and killed someone on the streets of Scotland.

 

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12743672.man-shot-by-police-after-siege-was-drinking-heavily/

At least one more I can think of, or was this a question?

[Shandon Par]

The unceremonious ending last couple of terrorist attacks in London would suggest that when the anti terrorist klaxon is sounded, it’s an execution squad that turns up.
 

[dirty dingus]

This is an interesting post about the background behind the park inn.

 

Scott Agnew

5 hrs

The incident at The Park Inn in Glasgow yesterday was absolutely no surprise.

There's been warnings and campaigns about what has been going on in our city and how asylum seekers here were being treated and held. Glasgow City Council had even lodged objections with the Home Office about this too. Nothing was done.

Don't be drawn in by the idea that this was a cushie weekend break in a hotel with a mini-bar and an all you can eat breakfast, room service and spa facilities. Nothing could be further from the truth.

This was a hotel in name only. It was a defacto detention centre, a prison if you will. People were ripped from their homes with only 20 mins notice and bundled into vans with dubious justification around the Coronavirus. They were forced to eat together in dining rooms not allowing for social distancing. They were fed the same meal day after day. Often the food inedible. Confined to their rooms there was no access to cash, they couldn't buy essentials like toiletries or top-ups for their phones, WiFi was either unavailable or poor, cutting them off completely from the outside world.

And all this during this lockdown. Imagine yourself and your own lockdown and how difficult it has been even in your own home. Could you have coped in one room with no phone, no internet access and no money? Could you have eaten the same three meals often poorly prepared day after day?

Cooped up and paranoid they could get sick some went on a hunger strike hoping their situation would get noticed. Already vulnerable, people's mental health started to deteriorate in this boiling pot atmosphere. One even took his own life earlier in lockdown.

The Home Office and the Mears Group, a private firm contracted by the UK Government to provide accommodation did nothing.

A peaceful protest was attempted last week and campaigners had hoped to get the issues and neglect faced by asylum seekers noticed but some folk thought it more important to protect statues they can hardly name or recognise and resorted to violence and racist rhetoric to do so. So the asylum seekers went unheard yet again, their voices silenced yet again, their problems unaddressed yet again, their supporters bullied off the streets, a worrying new development.

Is it any surprise just over a week later someone may finally snap while detained in the very epitome of this Tory Home Office's hostile environment?

Racist slime balls like Nigel Farage, whose rhetoric has encouraged "patriots" to "take back control" and silence these already marginalised people and their voices then attempted to weaponise yesterday's events against them. That's the ultimate sick cruelty. Create a problem, exacerbate it and then blame the victims of the environment you and your right wing friends and corporate partners created for that very problem.

Perhaps if the right wing bovver boys weren't out on the streets threatening and intimidating people trying to exercise their right to protest and free speech a man would still be alive, five folk wouldn't be in hospital and a brave police officer wouldn't be fighting for his life.

The political temperature in the city the past few weeks has been rising. Everyone is on edge. It doesn't need to be like this. Don't fall into the trap of rejoicing the man wielding the knife was shot dead. I'm willing to bet the armed officer who shot him isn't.

When the heat is turned up on issues of race and someone's race automatically ramps an incident up to a terror threat people get shot and that's not right. The first person shot dead for wielding a knife in this city in 50 years. Let's not pretend and clutch our pearls here, we're used to knives and knife crime in this city. Should every one wielding a knife now be shot? If that's the case we are going to be stepping over a lot of bodies from now on.

Glasgow and knives have been a thing for decades, why was yesterday different that it led to a fatal shooting? We can't let racists define our normal response to things because they have warped all our perceptions.

Glasgow is better than this; we have always been a city of immigrants. We cannot forget our past. We cannot allow ourselves to be played by right wing Tory spivs trying to make a fast buck out of someone else's misery whilst dividing our city for political gain.

Refugees are people. Refugees are welcome here because many of us, our families, started here as a refugee from somewhere and were welcomed here. That's what makes us the people Refuweegees and people make Glasgow.

With love and best wishes to all those injured yesterday and especially to Constable David Whyte on making a full recovery.

[GordonS]

16 hours ago, Lex said:

Horrible stuff.

Let us all hope for a full judicial enquiry by Nicola Sturgeon and her SNP government.

Justice for those affected by this tragedy.

Come to think of it, WTF has it got to do with "Nicola Sturgeon and her SNP government" anyway?

Those refugees are under the control of the Home Office, via their contract with Serco. 

[GordonS]

6 hours ago, Scary Bear said:

Huzzah! Pensioners win.

What about footballers wages?

I need that gif with the "first I was like [straight face], but then I lolled."

[GordonS]

9 hours ago, throbber said:

Aye the good old days! You wouldn’t even considering bothering the polis with this sort of nonsense back then.

I'm reliably informed that you wouldn't if you preferred to administer summary justice yourself.

[Jim McLean's Ghost]

So all the Refugees were in residential accomodation but were taken away to an empty hotel because... the outsourcing company got a cheap deal due to the Coronavirus.