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4 hours ago, gaswork said:

So many people involved with clubs like Pollok and Kilbirnie coming on here desperate for this to not work to help justify the crazy decision they made insuring no football at the clubs they run for a massive period of time. 

Clubs involved will make this work!  Weather you come on here and put it down or not,  no doubt see a few of you at a few games during the season! 

Kilbirnie were not happy with starting at this point in time. When it was decided that there would be no sanctions for withdrawal the club ( and supporters ) agreed to not play. Don't believe it is a crazy decision on the contrary we believe it to be the correct one for us.  Every conference club should have been aware of consequences of playing with no promotion , that is why they should imo had a discussion with their fans. Best of luck to every club that decided it was in their interests to play.

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3 hours ago, Chis said:

Appears to me that things are constantly changing from day to day and instead of standing by the original decisions made by clubs based on the information put to them that other options are now being put on the table which is completely out of order. I.M.G. should stand firmly by the original decision and not be trying to appease clubs and offering alternatives to attempt clubs to reconsider their options such as extending date for clubs to opt out of leagues this season.

Sorry Chis but totally disagree with your point on offering alternatives to try and get clubs to change mind. I for one would like to see alternative proposals to get the big boys back in as I fear for the future of the clubs that pull out - and players move on. Dont know the details of how this works. 

Everybody was happy to play friendlies under the health restictions so dont understand the difference moving into league games.

Is it the case that all that have agree to start comply with the dressing room rules ? Do the East and others comply ? In England fans are in. If not could tempory facilities ie portakabins not be brought in so the home team uses both dressing rooms and the away team uses the temp facilities,surely not impossible. Accept that it would cost some money but for how long ? My concern is if circumstances change for the better in a months time ? the teams that have withdrawn will regret it. Govermnent or the higher echelons of SFA should be looking after the grass roots.

I know its not you but why not let fans in in a controlled manner and league appoint "crowd behaviour person" to monitor social distancing in ground.

Again it has been mentioned why not live stream and ask for subscription charge ?

I dont think the future is Rosey and have already thrown my golf clubs out and dont own bowls

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6 hours ago, Chis said:

Appears to me that things are constantly changing from day to day and instead of standing by the original decisions made by clubs based on the information put to them that other options are now being put on the table which is completely out of order. I.M.G. should stand firmly by the original decision and not be trying to appease clubs and offering alternatives to attempt clubs to reconsider their options such as extending date for clubs to opt out of leagues this season.

Come on Chis you have been in the game long enough to know how it works . 70 % of clubs said they wouldn’t survive more than 4 weeks without fans so when the start date of 24 th October arrived 3/ 4 weeks from then and that’s your answer. I predicted that’s what it would be and asked the question before the voting even commenced and was told it was t guaranteed but with the current government restrictions etc was almost a certainty to be applied. 

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8 hours ago, Darvel legend said:

another username here we go ha , to set the record straight ive never fallen out with Michael Kennedy and indeed i will continue to praise him as i believe hes the best manager at non league level in the country 

Here was me thinking you had turned the corner.

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Sorry Chis but totally disagree with your point on offering alternatives to try and get clubs to change mind. I for one would like to see alternative proposals to get the big boys back in as I fear for the future of the clubs that pull out - and players move on. Dont know the details of how this works. 
Everybody was happy to play friendlies under the health restictions so dont understand the difference moving into league games.
Is it the case that all that have agree to start comply with the dressing room rules ? Do the East and others comply ? In England fans are in. If not could tempory facilities ie portakabins not be brought in so the home team uses both dressing rooms and the away team uses the temp facilities,surely not impossible. Accept that it would cost some money but for how long ? My concern is if circumstances change for the better in a months time ? the teams that have withdrawn will regret it. Govermnent or the higher echelons of SFA should be looking after the grass roots.
I know its not you but why not let fans in in a controlled manner and league appoint "crowd behaviour person" to monitor social distancing in ground.
Again it has been mentioned why not live stream and ask for subscription charge ?
I dont think the future is Rosey and have already thrown my golf clubs out and dont own bowls
You want clubs to pay players wage, buy portacabins and buy cameras etc. to stream games when they have no income coming in? The LL clubs and a lot clubs in the East of Scotland will be due at least £5k from the SFA for being licensed.

Given the number of cases, hospital admissions and deaths continue to increase there isn't a chance we will have fans back in the grounds anytime soon.
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27 minutes ago, Jack Burton said:

You want clubs to pay players wage, buy portacabins and buy cameras etc. to stream games when they have no income coming in? The LL clubs and a lot clubs in the East of Scotland will be due at least £5k from the SFA for being licensed.

Given the number of cases, hospital admissions and deaths continue to increase there isn't a chance we will have fans back in the grounds anytime soon.

Why don't the sg tell us the health condition. And the ages of the people who die from covid. That would at least remove at least some of the fear factor surely. 

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17 minutes ago, lithgierose said:

Why don't the sg tell us the health condition. And the ages of the people who die from covid. That would at least remove at least some of the fear factor surely. 

I'm not sure it would - given the age and health condition of those that made up a large proportion of the crowds at (former) West Junior grounds.

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7 hours ago, Jack Burton said:

You want clubs to pay players wage, buy portacabins and buy cameras etc. to stream games when they have no income coming in? The LL clubs and a lot clubs in the East of Scotland will be due at least £5k from the SFA for being licensed.

Given the number of cases, hospital admissions and deaths continue to increase there isn't a chance we will have fans back in the grounds anytime soon.

I think you half pick up my point. Yes to what you point out. But my main point is that help is needed from the SG and SFA.

Streaming games could be an income for very little outlay

And by the way you can rent Portakabins. The teams that have not pulled out obviously dont need them because they presently comply / will comply with SG guidelines

These are all temporary measures. Yes its hard times but nobody said ut wasn't

So thats some of my suggestions to try and stop withdrawals - whats yours

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9 hours ago, Jack Burton said:

...Given the number of cases, hospital admissions and deaths continue to increase there isn't a chance we will have fans back in the grounds anytime soon.

During any epidemic with an infection that is too contagious to effectively eradicate that is going to happen until herd immunity is achieved and imposing severe lockdown restrictions just prolongs the pain involved in getting there, if there is no readily available vaccine. There is no easy painless way out of this right now. Meanwhile, the SG in its infinite wisdom appears to be loosening restrictions on care home visits:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-54523044

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-54507488

Yes, let's keep fixating over regulations surrounding football for people in age groups with infinitessimally small mortality rates where COVID-19 is concerned rather than focussing on the shielding measures needed for the age group that actually have a lot to worry about over this just as they do every winter over influenza (but nobody ever pays a blind bit of notice on that in Scotland unlike in some Asian countries). Did the SG learn nothing from the mistakes they made back in March?

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I think you half pick up my point. Yes to what you point out. But my main point is that help is needed from the SG and SFA.
Streaming games could be an income for very little outlay
And by the way you can rent Portakabins. The teams that have not pulled out obviously dont need them because they presently comply / will comply with SG guidelines
These are all temporary measures. Yes its hard times but nobody said ut wasn't
So thats some of my suggestions to try and stop withdrawals - whats yours
It isn't as cheap as what you think to stream the games. You need to fork out for the camera, laptop, software and hardware to stream the games. Renting or buying there us still a cost attached to it. Pinning your hopes on a grant would be foolish. Even if there is one by the time it filters down to this level it won't amount to much.

The only sensible thing to do was to delay the season and review it again in January. By then the latest measures would have had time.

What is the point in clubs at this level playing behind closed doors when the majority won't be streaming the games. Plus you have no promotion or relegation. It's no surprise that it is the bigger clubs with the bigger outlays that don't think it makes sense to play.
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14 hours ago, clash city rocker said:

Kilbirnie were not happy with starting at this point in time. When it was decided that there would be no sanctions for withdrawal the club ( and supporters ) agreed to not play. Don't believe it is a crazy decision on the contrary we believe it to be the correct one for us.  Every conference club should have been aware of consequences of playing with no promotion , that is why they should imo had a discussion with their fans. Best of luck to every club that decided it was in their interests to play.

Can only agree with what you are saying here.

I understand the frustration of clubs in the conferences regarding promotion but as soon as clubs were quite correctly given the option to withdraw for the season then to me the WOSFL had no choice.

If for example my team Beith had a bad season and finished bottom then it would be unfair that we got relegated and then the other teams come straight back in where they left off.

Every team has made the choice that suits them best and we all just have to live with it for now.

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9 hours ago, lithgierose said:

Why don't the sg tell us the health condition. And the ages of the people who die from covid. That would at least remove at least some of the fear factor surely. 

Not entirely sure deaths are the concern as people who survive will be very quickly filling up hospital capacities. And it's not just a case of converting former gig venues into more space - you need the staff (skilled in ICU work) as well.

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2 hours ago, albertsquare said:

I think you half pick up my point. Yes to what you point out. But my main point is that help is needed from the SG and SFA.

Streaming games could be an income for very little outlay

And by the way you can rent Portakabins. The teams that have not pulled out obviously dont need them because they presently comply / will comply with SG guidelines

These are all temporary measures. Yes its hard times but nobody said ut wasn't

So thats some of my suggestions to try and stop withdrawals - whats yours

The help will come in a month of sundays. Committing to play without it is mental.

Any help that does come IMO will go to licenced clubs. I also believe crowds will return first at licenced clubs.

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32 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said:

The help will come in a month of sundays. Committing to play without it is mental.

Any help that does come IMO will go to licenced clubs. I also believe crowds will return first at licenced clubs.

Are the Lowland, East and South of Scotland Leagues, and the bulk of the WoS all mental?

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The worry for the teams that pulled out I would think is what state will they be in for when they come back as I’m sure they will lose there players and talbot etc could very well lose the manager 

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4 minutes ago, Derry said:

The worry for the teams that pulled out I would think is what state will they be in for when they come back as I’m sure they will lose there players and talbot etc could very well lose the manager 

Even though in almost all cases it was agreed with the players and management?

And would also suggest that I'd rather PFC exist at all in a year's time than have all of the staff and players remain ongoing - were that the choice. The staff and players as far as I know are of the view that the club's survival is more important than playing on in a very questionable and uncertain environment. We looked after them over lockdown and I am very happy to see they are now, in turn, looking after the club.

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